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You can disagree with his statement about PRISM, and that doesn't really have much to do with his original point. He wasn't saying don't post thoughtful op-eds

by ebbv 13y ago

You can disagree with his statement about PRISM, and that doesn't really have much to do with his original point. He wasn't saying don't post thoughtful op-eds about PRISM (and if he was I think he'd get no support here at all), he's saying enough with the tabloid like articles about the people at the center of controversies, which have nothing to do with the larger issue.

pi18n 13y ago
Let's not restrict it to people relevant to controversies. Let's stop all the tabloid articles and blogspam.
- hack_edu 13y ago
  And what would be left, of the HN we already have? No idealizing the past...
counterpointer 13y ago
One solution might be to link to a live blog or page which has the latest updates on the story, title it "Click here to get the latest on this story' and then make sure it stays in the first 10 or so stories and let people have fun in the comments with updates and what not.
glenstein 13y ago
OP seems to be issuing a blanket request that we slow down with any stories related to either Snowden or the NSA. If he's really only against frivolous reporting his subject line ought to have said "Please post good stories on the NSA and post them as frequently as possible" and then explained what he felt were good stories. But even then I would object to drawing too sharp a distinction between Snowden's story and the NSA story. There's an integral relationship between the two, because how the US handles leaks and leakers has everything to do with the national debate on how the US gov handles secrecy in general. Some reporting might boil over into frivolous details; I truly don't care what he eats and I think those details trivialize the story. But in terms of driving attention to relevant details, I think Snowden's story and the NSA surveillance story command attention symbiotically as opposed to being mutually exclusive. It's like the thesis advanced by Alex Gibney in his Wikileaks documentary We Steal Secrets: the allegations against Julian Assange and subsequent attempts at extradition probably had the effect of bringing much more attention to Wikileaks. Similarly here with Snowden.

by ebbv 13y ago

pi18n 13y ago

Let's not restrict it to people relevant to controversies. Let's stop all the tabloid articles and blogspam.

hack_edu 13y ago
And what would be left, of the HN we already have? No idealizing the past...

counterpointer 13y ago

One solution might be to link to a live blog or page which has the latest updates on the story, title it "Click here to get the latest on this story' and then make sure it stays in the first 10 or so stories and let people have fun in the comments with updates and what not.

glenstein 13y ago

OP seems to be issuing a blanket request that we slow down with any stories related to either Snowden or the NSA. If he's really only against frivolous reporting his subject line ought to have said "Please post good stories on the NSA and post them as frequently as possible" and then explained what he felt were good stories. But even then I would object to drawing too sharp a distinction between Snowden's story and the NSA story. There's an integral relationship between the two, because how the US handles leaks and leakers has everything to do with the national debate on how the US gov handles secrecy in general. Some reporting might boil over into frivolous details; I truly don't care what he eats and I think those details trivialize the story. But in terms of driving attention to relevant details, I think Snowden's story and the NSA surveillance story command attention symbiotically as opposed to being mutually exclusive. It's like the thesis advanced by Alex Gibney in his Wikileaks documentary We Steal Secrets: the allegations against Julian Assange and subsequent attempts at extradition probably had the effect of bringing much more attention to Wikileaks. Similarly here with Snowden.