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> You think taxes are unethical? Then how does the government pay for itself? Would you rather they just printed the money they need? That would also be a tax;

> You think taxes are unethical? Then how does the government pay for itself? Would you rather they just printed the money they need? That would also be a tax; a flat tax. > And if you don't believe the government should exist then that's anarchist, not libertarian. Though if you want anarchism then you can't have a barter system. Well, since I'm also an opponent of fiat currency, the government couldn't very well print any money :) I'd prefer a night-watchman state, with the government handling police, courts, the military and possibly other services relating to emergency rescue, the justice system or government administration. I would prefer the following for funding the (very small) government in ranking order: 1. Donations, 2. Fees, 3. A small flat tax levied either as an income tax or a corporate tax. And yes, the third option isn't a very good option. > By "very small" you mean "fringe". Like the BNP in the UK no doubt. Indeed. I can't speak about the BNP, since I don't know anything about it, but the classic liberal party of Sweden only got a few hundred votes last election. > If you truly have "US Libertarian" parties in Sweden, then how about instead of ruining your country you just move the US so you can enjoy what a Libertarian paradise is actually like. I'll do that once the US stops being a collectivist surveillance state corrupted by cronyism, and actually starts respecting the principles set forth in its constitution again. (Not to mention when it actually starts allowing immigrants again.) Until such a time, I'll try to make the situation better where I happen to reside.

flyinRyan 13y ago
>Well, since I'm also an opponent of fiat currency, the government couldn't very well print any money :) So you want the gold standard again? Hasn't being in the EU shown you the dangers of having a currency you can't adjust to respond to international conditions? >I'd prefer a night-watchman state, with the government handling police, courts, the military and possibly other services relating to emergency rescue, the justice system or government administration. And somehow you imagine that the megarich corporations aren't instantly going to (a) start using unregulated practices to set up all kinds of monopolies and (b) start spending money to turn the country to their favor resorting in the exact same place the US is right now? >1. Donations, 2. Fees, 3. A small flat tax levied either as an income tax or a corporate tax. Donations? Seriously, donations? The police, military and so on will be at the mercy of what people decide to give of their own free will? Why am I not surprised to see such a position from a self proclaimed Libertarian. >Until such a time, I'll try to make the situation better where I happen to reside. Turning Sweden even more over to corporations isn't going to make it better, you must be out of your mind.
- drrotmos 13y ago
  > So you want the gold standard again? Hasn't being in the EU shown you the dangers of having a currency you can't adjust to respond to international conditions? Being in the EU has shown me the dangers of government meddling in the market. > Donations? Seriously, donations? The police, military and so on will be at the mercy of what people decide to give of their own free will? Why am I not surprised to see such a position from a self proclaimed Libertarian. Yes, because it's far better to steal the money instead of it being given freely. I'm more than willing to pay a decent amount money for everyone to have access to those services. Aren't you?
  - flyinRyan 13y ago
    >Being in the EU has shown me the dangers of government meddling in the market. Oh ffs. What place has shown you the joys of a completely laissez faire market? I'd be interested to hear about it since no such thing actually exists at any reasonably large scale. It was tried in Chile once and failed so hard that Friedman's own "Chicago boys" had to back it off. >I'm more than willing to pay a decent amount money for everyone to have access to those services. Aren't you? Well, no actually. I'm not willing to spend a dollar on those services until I know those getting more value out of them (i.e. the rich) are paying their fair share. In reality, they'll probably be paying nothing so I will join them.
    - drrotmos 13y ago
      > Well, no actually. I'm not willing to spend a dollar on those services until I know those getting more value out of them (i.e. the rich) are paying their fair share. In reality, they'll probably be paying nothing so I will join them. Okay. That would be your right. Just don't start complaining once the underfunded justice system won't have the resources to handle burglaries in homes which cannot afford private security.
      - flyinRyan 13y ago
        I will complain because I wasn't paying because the rich weren't paying. What could my pennies do if they won't contribute? Seriously, this has to be the most naive nonsense I've ever read on HN.

flyinRyan 13y ago

>Well, since I'm also an opponent of fiat currency, the government couldn't very well print any money :) So you want the gold standard again? Hasn't being in the EU shown you the dangers of having a currency you can't adjust to respond to international conditions? >I'd prefer a night-watchman state, with the government handling police, courts, the military and possibly other services relating to emergency rescue, the justice system or government administration. And somehow you imagine that the megarich corporations aren't instantly going to (a) start using unregulated practices to set up all kinds of monopolies and (b) start spending money to turn the country to their favor resorting in the exact same place the US is right now? >1. Donations, 2. Fees, 3. A small flat tax levied either as an income tax or a corporate tax. Donations? Seriously, donations? The police, military and so on will be at the mercy of what people decide to give of their own free will? Why am I not surprised to see such a position from a self proclaimed Libertarian. >Until such a time, I'll try to make the situation better where I happen to reside. Turning Sweden even more over to corporations isn't going to make it better, you must be out of your mind.

drrotmos 13y ago
> So you want the gold standard again? Hasn't being in the EU shown you the dangers of having a currency you can't adjust to respond to international conditions? Being in the EU has shown me the dangers of government meddling in the market. > Donations? Seriously, donations? The police, military and so on will be at the mercy of what people decide to give of their own free will? Why am I not surprised to see such a position from a self proclaimed Libertarian. Yes, because it's far better to steal the money instead of it being given freely. I'm more than willing to pay a decent amount money for everyone to have access to those services. Aren't you?
- flyinRyan 13y ago
  >Being in the EU has shown me the dangers of government meddling in the market. Oh ffs. What place has shown you the joys of a completely laissez faire market? I'd be interested to hear about it since no such thing actually exists at any reasonably large scale. It was tried in Chile once and failed so hard that Friedman's own "Chicago boys" had to back it off. >I'm more than willing to pay a decent amount money for everyone to have access to those services. Aren't you? Well, no actually. I'm not willing to spend a dollar on those services until I know those getting more value out of them (i.e. the rich) are paying their fair share. In reality, they'll probably be paying nothing so I will join them.
  - drrotmos 13y ago
    > Well, no actually. I'm not willing to spend a dollar on those services until I know those getting more value out of them (i.e. the rich) are paying their fair share. In reality, they'll probably be paying nothing so I will join them. Okay. That would be your right. Just don't start complaining once the underfunded justice system won't have the resources to handle burglaries in homes which cannot afford private security.
    - flyinRyan 13y ago
      I will complain because I wasn't paying because the rich weren't paying. What could my pennies do if they won't contribute? Seriously, this has to be the most naive nonsense I've ever read on HN.