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>Sorry, buying illicit drugs is a crime in this country, seizure of assets and materials used in the transaction is part of that. This assumes that you accept

by Lionga 13y ago

>Sorry, buying illicit drugs is a crime in this country, seizure of assets and materials used in the transaction is part of that. This assumes that you accept the premise that a government should be able to steal property, simply because it doesn't like certain kinds of transactions.

Nursie 13y ago
Conversely we do have things we call crime, and we generally do say that the proceeds of crime are subject to forfeit. This is somewhat deeper than the government not liking certain types of transactions. Do you think people should be able to profit from crime?
- noarchy 13y ago
  This depends on the "crime", and whether unwilling parties were harmed by the transaction. If two parties conduct an exchange of products or services, where both parties were not coerced, then this is not a crime in my opinion. On the other hand, if I actually do injure someone, then that person could lay a claim against me. They are the ones entitled to any property of mine at that point, as compensation, not the State.
  - Nursie 13y ago
    >> If two parties conduct an exchange of products or services, where both parties were not coerced, then this is not a crime in my opinion. Sure, and much of the drug trade should be legal in my opinion. However it's not and the confiscation of funds from criminal activity is commonplace and (IMHO) a good thing. I disagree with the government about what should be criminal, but not on stripping criminals of their profit, and I think there are circumstances where people exchange products or services, without coercion or other people directly harmed, that should be still be illegal and any profits confiscated. As an extreme example, trade in radioactive material like uranium.
    - noarchy 13y ago
      There are legitimate uses for uranium (medical isotopes and, arguably, energy production), that I think could lend themselves to a peaceful nuclear industry. Unfortunately that entire industry has been tarnished by violent end-goals from day one. Here's where the fox is guarding the henhouse, in a sense.
      - Nursie 13y ago
        Sorry was that a fantasy of a world in which sales of uranium would be allowed openly because people would only use it peacefully? For medicine and energy generation? Never let it be said you don't dream big! I'm not sure you fit into the real world any more than a socialist utopian does, but hey, good for you for having faith in humanity....

by Lionga 13y ago

Nursie 13y ago

Conversely we do have things we call crime, and we generally do say that the proceeds of crime are subject to forfeit. This is somewhat deeper than the government not liking certain types of transactions. Do you think people should be able to profit from crime?

noarchy 13y ago
This depends on the "crime", and whether unwilling parties were harmed by the transaction. If two parties conduct an exchange of products or services, where both parties were not coerced, then this is not a crime in my opinion. On the other hand, if I actually do injure someone, then that person could lay a claim against me. They are the ones entitled to any property of mine at that point, as compensation, not the State.
- Nursie 13y ago
  >> If two parties conduct an exchange of products or services, where both parties were not coerced, then this is not a crime in my opinion. Sure, and much of the drug trade should be legal in my opinion. However it's not and the confiscation of funds from criminal activity is commonplace and (IMHO) a good thing. I disagree with the government about what should be criminal, but not on stripping criminals of their profit, and I think there are circumstances where people exchange products or services, without coercion or other people directly harmed, that should be still be illegal and any profits confiscated. As an extreme example, trade in radioactive material like uranium.
  - noarchy 13y ago
    There are legitimate uses for uranium (medical isotopes and, arguably, energy production), that I think could lend themselves to a peaceful nuclear industry. Unfortunately that entire industry has been tarnished by violent end-goals from day one. Here's where the fox is guarding the henhouse, in a sense.
    - Nursie 13y ago
      Sorry was that a fantasy of a world in which sales of uranium would be allowed openly because people would only use it peacefully? For medicine and energy generation? Never let it be said you don't dream big! I'm not sure you fit into the real world any more than a socialist utopian does, but hey, good for you for having faith in humanity....