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> nonetheless, would soon wish their practices and mindset be respected and reflected in laws (and, since they would be able to vote, it would be): from the rig

> nonetheless, would soon wish their practices and mindset be respected and reflected in laws (and, since they would be able to vote, it would be): from the right to beat their wives or persecute gays, to refusing education to their daughters? And even darker stuff like "honour killings" that would be sure to want to bring to their new country? What is this bigoted nonsense doing on HN? Those of you upvoting this should be ashamed of yourselves. PS. Most Muslims don't want to beat their wives or deny their daughters an education, nor do they want to engage in 'honor killings. If you think they do, you probably also think that the Westboro Baptist Church is an adequate proxy for average Christian beliefs.

coldtea 13y ago
>What is this bigoted nonsense doing on HN? I was about to ask something similar. What is your comment, a content-free mix of accusations and insults, doing in HN? As for your accusations: What exactly is "bigoted" about what I wrote? People from cultural backgrounds less developed with regards to women's issues (as one example), don't magically become tolerant and feminist when they immigrate to another country. Honour killings are a real thing -- I can point you to tons of articles on the issue. Here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyunVoRKL8k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyunVoRKL8k And they are related to muslim communities [that's what the police reports say]. Europeans, especially in rural areas, might have done similar things back in the day (nearly a century ago), but not many (actually none) modern Italians, Frenchmen, Dutch etc even consider the notion appropriate, much less practice such things as honour killings in 2013. >PS. Most Muslims don't want to beat their wives or deny their daughters an education, nor do they want to engage in 'honor killings'. Did anybody say it was "most muslims" doing it? And does it have to be 51% or close for it to matter? I don't even want 5% doing it. Not to mention that there ARE muslim countries in which most people DO "deny their daughters and education". But besides those things there are other issues, such as: the role of women, attitudes towards sex and sexual imagery, attitudes towards civic law, freedom of speech (including religious satire), etc. If they were totally OK with civic law in a democratic society, they wouldn't push for separate religious (sharia) courts in Western countries. >Those of you up-voting this should be ashamed of yourselves. Condescending, pro-censorship and abusive. That's your answer to my "bigotry"?

coldtea 13y ago

>What is this bigoted nonsense doing on HN? I was about to ask something similar. What is your comment, a content-free mix of accusations and insults, doing in HN? As for your accusations: What exactly is "bigoted" about what I wrote? People from cultural backgrounds less developed with regards to women's issues (as one example), don't magically become tolerant and feminist when they immigrate to another country. Honour killings are a real thing -- I can point you to tons of articles on the issue. Here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyunVoRKL8k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyunVoRKL8k And they are related to muslim communities [that's what the police reports say]. Europeans, especially in rural areas, might have done similar things back in the day (nearly a century ago), but not many (actually none) modern Italians, Frenchmen, Dutch etc even consider the notion appropriate, much less practice such things as honour killings in 2013. >PS. Most Muslims don't want to beat their wives or deny their daughters an education, nor do they want to engage in 'honor killings'. Did anybody say it was "most muslims" doing it? And does it have to be 51% or close for it to matter? I don't even want 5% doing it. Not to mention that there ARE muslim countries in which most people DO "deny their daughters and education". But besides those things there are other issues, such as: the role of women, attitudes towards sex and sexual imagery, attitudes towards civic law, freedom of speech (including religious satire), etc. If they were totally OK with civic law in a democratic society, they wouldn't push for separate religious (sharia) courts in Western countries. >Those of you up-voting this should be ashamed of yourselves. Condescending, pro-censorship and abusive. That's your answer to my "bigotry"?