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Are you talking about the "direct pipes" PRISM and FISA media story? Or all the other documents he is releasing about the USA spying/hacking on other nations?

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• kinghajj 13y ago
  I'm referring to all of his leaks so far. > Because that's what the NSA and CIA do, and all the other countries take part in. It's part of the game nations play. Yeah, and so? That doesn't make those actions right, nor Snowden's actions wrong. > Even Google is claiming the media is downright lying about what is going on. It's he-said they-said right now, but Snowden has documents that allegedly corroborate his story, while all we get from the ISPs, telecos, and the government are simple denials.
  • powertower 13y ago
    > Yeah, and so? That doesn't make those actions right, nor Snowden's actions wrong. It makes those actions necessary, and his actions absolutely wrong. > It's he-said they-said right now, but Snowden has documents that allegedly corroborate his story, while all we get from the ISPs, telecos, and the government are simple denials. What we got was clarifications and specifics to the media's sensationalism and falsehoods. But you've already made up your mind... "Direct pipes" turned out to be nothing more than FTP accounts at google and facebook, were data has to be requested first, looked over by lawyers, and then moved to. And "unlimited wholescale spying" turned out to be extremely specific targeting of a few hundred phone accounts. Not to mention that US citizen targeting turned out to be completely against the rules.
    • hga 13y ago
      Actually, the most appalling thing could be that warrant to the business unit of Verizon for 3 months of ALL their phone call metadata, every single phone line. Now, if it's limited to business accounts that would imply something congruent with this topic, a focus on leakers. If it's matched by ones for residential lines, non-business mobile phones, etc. it's downright chilling, I don't care what's "completely against the rules", especially with an administration that doesn't care about the concept. Look, even DNI Clapper has admitted he lied, in giving the "least untruthful" answer to the question of whether the "NSA collect[s] any type of data at all on millions of Americans". Which apparently hinges on a definition of collect where they Hoover up lots of stuff, and promise to only look at it if they're following their rules. Now, if we think the downright wrong things aren't some combination of Snowden's limited understanding of things AND the filter of the reporter and his editors, we might wonder if that warrant wasn't fabricated or sexed up. I don't know off the top of my head how to proceed on judging its validity.
      • rdouble 13y ago
        Unfortunately, they need all that metadata to use as a training set if they hope to build "big data" tools that actually work.
        • hga 13y ago
          But wouldn't those Big Data tools then need to work on big data sets? Wouldn't that be the whole point of them?
    • kinghajj 13y ago
      > It makes those actions necessary, and his actions absolutely wrong. Why do nations and states get special status in the geopolitical game? (Because it's a way to ensure that each maintains its own power, and not let those dumb plebs fuck up their designs.) > But you've already made up your mind... You're assuming that I believe all the claims he's made, when I've said nothing of the sort in this entire thread. Indeed, it rather seems that you are the one who has made up their mind that the clarifications made must be genuine, just as you have accused me of assuming that all of Snowden's allegations are geniune... Doesn't feel good, huh?