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This would be much more interesting as a heatmap normalized for population and/or crime. As is, it's hard to read anything much into it, as many of the points a

This would be much more interesting as a heatmap normalized for population and/or crime. As is, it's hard to read anything much into it, as many of the points are too tightly clustered (NY & Chicago) to tell if there is actually any significant difference between the failed raid rates of the different population centers.

betterunix 13y ago
The point is that paramilitary police teams are not harmless. These soldiers are being deployed to serve basic search-and-arrest warrants; their use is not limited to emergencies or to suspects that are believed to be heavily armed (if there were so many suspects so heavily armed, our cities would literally be war zones). The real question is this: are paramilitary police teams actually necessary in the tens of thousands of raids they conduct each year?
- lclarkmichalek 13y ago
  From the article: > "If a widespread pattern of [knock-and-announce] violations were shown . . . there would be reason for grave concern." > —Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy, in Hudson v. Michigan, June 15, 2006. From the graph they present, I cannot determine a pattern. That has nothing to do with the necessity of the raids.
  - akiselev 13y ago
    Read the opinion: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=000&invol=04-1360 http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vo... The court found that a single "knock-and-announce" violation (not waiting 10 to 20 seconds in this case) wasn't enough to disqualify evidence that was found in the hours following, during the execution of the search warrant. What Kennedy meant was that if this wasn't an isolated incident and was in-fact becoming a common side effect of police procedure, then the legal system would have to start reevaluating how strict it will be with such violations. Relevant paragraphs: Today's decision does not address any demonstrated pattern of knock-and-announce violations. If a widespread pattern of violations were shown, and particularly if those violations were committed against persons who lacked the means or voice to mount an effective protest, there would be reason for grave concern. Even then, however, the Court would have to acknowledge that extending the remedy of exclusion to all the evidence seized following a knock-and-announce violation would mean revising the requirement of causation that limits our discretion in applying the exclusionary rule. That type of extension also would have significant practical implications, adding to the list of issues requiring resolution at the criminal trial questions such as whether police officers entered a home after waiting 10 seconds or 20. In this case the relevant evidence was discovered not because of a failure to knock-and-announce, but because of a subsequent search pursuant to a lawful warrant. The Court in my view is correct to hold that suppression was not required. While I am not convinced that Segura v. United States, 468 U. S. 796 (1984), and New York v. Harris, 495 U. S. 14 (1990), have as much relevance here as Justice Scalia appears to conclude, the Court's holding is fully supported by Parts I through III of its opinion. I accordingly join those Parts and concur in the judgment.
- SEJeff 13y ago
  Do you read the news? Parts of Chicago are basically war zones. That is why it is the most violent city in the US. The big gang wars are out of control. Every weekend I see how many new people were killed in the violence here. Really sad that this isn't a solved problem in such an otherwise beautiful city. (Disclaimer: I live in a nicer part of Chicago)
  - Shivetya 13y ago
    they truly need a system like NYC's stop and frisk. Unfortunately that is threatened regardless of the good it has shown to do by misguided rights activists. Chicago is a great example of PC gone wrong. The main beneficiaries have been minorities and those who live in the "war zones". The means to fix Chicago's problem is available, however it requires a mayor with strength of character more concerned for the people than himself.
cadlin 13y ago
Unfortunately, the paper the map is based on costs ten dollars[1], which seems odd for a paper from a think tank. Apparently, Cato sells a lot of books/papers[2]. Is that a common practice for think tanks (I have no idea)? [1] http://store.cato.org/reports/overkill-rise-paramilitary-police-raids-america http://store.cato.org/reports/overkill-rise-paramilitary-pol... [2]http://store.cato.org/books http://store.cato.org/books

betterunix 13y ago

The point is that paramilitary police teams are not harmless. These soldiers are being deployed to serve basic search-and-arrest warrants; their use is not limited to emergencies or to suspects that are believed to be heavily armed (if there were so many suspects so heavily armed, our cities would literally be war zones). The real question is this: are paramilitary police teams actually necessary in the tens of thousands of raids they conduct each year?

lclarkmichalek 13y ago
From the article: > "If a widespread pattern of [knock-and-announce] violations were shown . . . there would be reason for grave concern." > —Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy, in Hudson v. Michigan, June 15, 2006. From the graph they present, I cannot determine a pattern. That has nothing to do with the necessity of the raids.
- akiselev 13y ago
  Read the opinion: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=000&invol=04-1360 http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vo... The court found that a single "knock-and-announce" violation (not waiting 10 to 20 seconds in this case) wasn't enough to disqualify evidence that was found in the hours following, during the execution of the search warrant. What Kennedy meant was that if this wasn't an isolated incident and was in-fact becoming a common side effect of police procedure, then the legal system would have to start reevaluating how strict it will be with such violations. Relevant paragraphs: Today's decision does not address any demonstrated pattern of knock-and-announce violations. If a widespread pattern of violations were shown, and particularly if those violations were committed against persons who lacked the means or voice to mount an effective protest, there would be reason for grave concern. Even then, however, the Court would have to acknowledge that extending the remedy of exclusion to all the evidence seized following a knock-and-announce violation would mean revising the requirement of causation that limits our discretion in applying the exclusionary rule. That type of extension also would have significant practical implications, adding to the list of issues requiring resolution at the criminal trial questions such as whether police officers entered a home after waiting 10 seconds or 20. In this case the relevant evidence was discovered not because of a failure to knock-and-announce, but because of a subsequent search pursuant to a lawful warrant. The Court in my view is correct to hold that suppression was not required. While I am not convinced that Segura v. United States, 468 U. S. 796 (1984), and New York v. Harris, 495 U. S. 14 (1990), have as much relevance here as Justice Scalia appears to conclude, the Court's holding is fully supported by Parts I through III of its opinion. I accordingly join those Parts and concur in the judgment.
SEJeff 13y ago
Do you read the news? Parts of Chicago are basically war zones. That is why it is the most violent city in the US. The big gang wars are out of control. Every weekend I see how many new people were killed in the violence here. Really sad that this isn't a solved problem in such an otherwise beautiful city. (Disclaimer: I live in a nicer part of Chicago)
- Shivetya 13y ago
  they truly need a system like NYC's stop and frisk. Unfortunately that is threatened regardless of the good it has shown to do by misguided rights activists. Chicago is a great example of PC gone wrong. The main beneficiaries have been minorities and those who live in the "war zones". The means to fix Chicago's problem is available, however it requires a mayor with strength of character more concerned for the people than himself.

cadlin 13y ago

Unfortunately, the paper the map is based on costs ten dollars[1], which seems odd for a paper from a think tank. Apparently, Cato sells a lot of books/papers[2]. Is that a common practice for think tanks (I have no idea)? [1] http://store.cato.org/reports/overkill-rise-paramilitary-police-raids-america http://store.cato.org/reports/overkill-rise-paramilitary-pol... [2]http://store.cato.org/books http://store.cato.org/books