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I see a propoganda machine at work. As far as I'm concerned, Obama is still the best president we have had in my adult life. He makes decisions based on reason

I see a propoganda machine at work. As far as I'm concerned, Obama is still the best president we have had in my adult life. He makes decisions based on reason and not belief. This is bad for politics as usual and this is why this slander campaign exists. Obama is not communist, Muslim, a dictator or anything like that. I am really surprised that even hacker news readers are being infected by right wing propoganda. When did it become cool to be a conservative? Please don't let fear enable an abandonement of logic. I operate off of proof and bottom line is, most of the allegations against Obama cannot be proven with facts but only hearsay. What I see is logical people being turned into the sheep they once despised.

crgt 13y ago
Do you see the 4th Amendment in tatters? Is that the propaganda machine at work? It seems like there's plenty of blame for both sides of the aisle and blindly defending the Administration with platitudes seems counterproductive.
- websitescenes 13y ago
  The constitution has been in trouble for a long time. There has been a consistent degradation. Obama absolutely did not set these programs into motion, most of these secret programs are relics from the war on terror that fear enabled. Do I see a degradation in the 4th? Sure as hell I have but it's been happening for a long time. Now your pissed about it because the media tells you so. This is the right wing fear factory at work.
  - jivatmanx 13y ago
    What if I told you... That there are people who opposed these programs when they were first put in place, and continue to oppose them now.
    - websitescenes 13y ago
      I'm one of them. I just don't think that it's all Obama's to own. All the recent presidents should be blamed collectively.
  - crgt 13y ago
    Some people have been upset for awhile, and many of them now see the potential for change given the increased visibility of the issues. Personally, I'm not angry because of what the media tells me. If anything, I'm more frustrated with what they don't report. But mostly I'm frustrated because our government seems comfortable disregarding our rights at will. That's not a partisan issue, nor is it the media hype factory at work. Framing it as such is deeply counterproductive.
    - websitescenes 13y ago
      I agree with your sentiments but to not recognize that there are political agendas at work is not only counterproductive but also extremely naive.
chalst 13y ago
Right-wing propaganda? The libertarians are frothing, but the Tea Party doesn't seem to know what it thinks and the Washington Republicans are mostly keeping their heads down. The majority of the US population appear not to be all that concerned. As propaganda campaigns go, this seems high cost, low pay off.
- websitescenes 13y ago
  They are keeping their heads down and waiting for the next election. Fox News style reporting has become the norm. Why get your hands dirty when you can use YouTube, Facebook and network news? Fear enables an abandonement of logic and they pumping the country full of fear through very specific channels. This propoganda campaign is truly a work of art that has fooled the masses. The same people behind the industrial military complex are behind this onslaught of blurry information.
websitescenes 13y ago
Down votes? Hard to hear the truth...
- auxbuss 13y ago
  I suspect the down votes are for lumping in Muslims with communists and dictators in a derogatory way. That's pretty offensive stuff.
  - websitescenes 13y ago
    You obviously did not read my comment. I am not saying these are derogatory terms. I'm just saying that they are being falsely applied to an individual for political gains. To conservatives, which I am not, these are derogatory terms.
neona 13y ago
I can technically agree, but that's just because i'm 22. To me Obama showed much promise, but he's really been just as horrible as every other president that's graced the White House, if not worse.
- hga 13y ago
  When you were 17-18, you were allowed the naivety of youth. Now, not so much. Those of us who noticed where he came from (the Chicago political machine), or his 2008 campaign's signature thuggishness (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324659404578501411510635312.html http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788732465940457850...) are not in the least surprised. If you're still using the same media sources that didn't report the above back then, perhaps you should broaden them. Of course, who knows when the government will start telling your friends that you're reading unapproved sources, right now that sort of thing is limited to donors of money but "If This Goes On—"
  - websitescenes 13y ago
    Lol. Seriously? The wallstreet journal... Wallstreet is full of crooks, with highly politicized agendas.
    - hga 13y ago
      "Crooks"? Seriously, their political reporters like Kimberly Strassel are criminals, who should be in jail instead of engaging in subversive political speech? Well, thank you for demonstrating why this up to now cold civil war is not going to be resolved peacefully, when opposition is by definition illegitimate; YOU are part of the problem. And you don't have to take her word for it, all the incidents are trivially discoverable with your favorite search engine; I read them contemporaneously, and only cite her article now because she puts them in a neat package. I mean, it's really a bunch of falsifiable propositions. E.g. did or did not Bob Bauer, general counsel for the Obama 2008 campaign, try to criminalize simple opposition to the campaign, core 1st Amendment political speech, in these specific cited examples? Let me close with another Wall Street Journal writer's words, although she's a notorious Palin hater and is an only half-reformed Obamacon (Obama "conservative"), Peggy Nonan (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324412604578515673945731506.html?mod=rss_opinion_main http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788732441260457851...): "What does it mean when half the country—literally half the country—understands that the revenue-gathering arm of its federal government is politically corrupt, sees them as targets, and will shoot at them if they try to raise their heads? That is the kind of thing that can kill a country, letting half its citizens believe that they no longer have full political rights."
websitescenes 13y ago
I'm starting to think I'm the only one with a political science degree here.. But hey, you guys know better.
- hga 13y ago
  If that's where you got your manichean world view I've very glad I didn't take any polysci classes in college.
  - websitescenes 13y ago
    Don't worry. It shows.

crgt 13y ago

Do you see the 4th Amendment in tatters? Is that the propaganda machine at work? It seems like there's plenty of blame for both sides of the aisle and blindly defending the Administration with platitudes seems counterproductive.

websitescenes 13y ago
The constitution has been in trouble for a long time. There has been a consistent degradation. Obama absolutely did not set these programs into motion, most of these secret programs are relics from the war on terror that fear enabled. Do I see a degradation in the 4th? Sure as hell I have but it's been happening for a long time. Now your pissed about it because the media tells you so. This is the right wing fear factory at work.
- jivatmanx 13y ago
  What if I told you... That there are people who opposed these programs when they were first put in place, and continue to oppose them now.
  - websitescenes 13y ago
    I'm one of them. I just don't think that it's all Obama's to own. All the recent presidents should be blamed collectively.
- crgt 13y ago
  Some people have been upset for awhile, and many of them now see the potential for change given the increased visibility of the issues. Personally, I'm not angry because of what the media tells me. If anything, I'm more frustrated with what they don't report. But mostly I'm frustrated because our government seems comfortable disregarding our rights at will. That's not a partisan issue, nor is it the media hype factory at work. Framing it as such is deeply counterproductive.
  - websitescenes 13y ago
    I agree with your sentiments but to not recognize that there are political agendas at work is not only counterproductive but also extremely naive.

chalst 13y ago

Right-wing propaganda? The libertarians are frothing, but the Tea Party doesn't seem to know what it thinks and the Washington Republicans are mostly keeping their heads down. The majority of the US population appear not to be all that concerned. As propaganda campaigns go, this seems high cost, low pay off.

websitescenes 13y ago
They are keeping their heads down and waiting for the next election. Fox News style reporting has become the norm. Why get your hands dirty when you can use YouTube, Facebook and network news? Fear enables an abandonement of logic and they pumping the country full of fear through very specific channels. This propoganda campaign is truly a work of art that has fooled the masses. The same people behind the industrial military complex are behind this onslaught of blurry information.

websitescenes 13y ago

Down votes? Hard to hear the truth...

auxbuss 13y ago
I suspect the down votes are for lumping in Muslims with communists and dictators in a derogatory way. That's pretty offensive stuff.
- websitescenes 13y ago
  You obviously did not read my comment. I am not saying these are derogatory terms. I'm just saying that they are being falsely applied to an individual for political gains. To conservatives, which I am not, these are derogatory terms.

neona 13y ago

I can technically agree, but that's just because i'm 22. To me Obama showed much promise, but he's really been just as horrible as every other president that's graced the White House, if not worse.

hga 13y ago
When you were 17-18, you were allowed the naivety of youth. Now, not so much. Those of us who noticed where he came from (the Chicago political machine), or his 2008 campaign's signature thuggishness (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324659404578501411510635312.html http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788732465940457850...) are not in the least surprised. If you're still using the same media sources that didn't report the above back then, perhaps you should broaden them. Of course, who knows when the government will start telling your friends that you're reading unapproved sources, right now that sort of thing is limited to donors of money but "If This Goes On—"
- websitescenes 13y ago
  Lol. Seriously? The wallstreet journal... Wallstreet is full of crooks, with highly politicized agendas.
  - hga 13y ago
    "Crooks"? Seriously, their political reporters like Kimberly Strassel are criminals, who should be in jail instead of engaging in subversive political speech? Well, thank you for demonstrating why this up to now cold civil war is not going to be resolved peacefully, when opposition is by definition illegitimate; YOU are part of the problem. And you don't have to take her word for it, all the incidents are trivially discoverable with your favorite search engine; I read them contemporaneously, and only cite her article now because she puts them in a neat package. I mean, it's really a bunch of falsifiable propositions. E.g. did or did not Bob Bauer, general counsel for the Obama 2008 campaign, try to criminalize simple opposition to the campaign, core 1st Amendment political speech, in these specific cited examples? Let me close with another Wall Street Journal writer's words, although she's a notorious Palin hater and is an only half-reformed Obamacon (Obama "conservative"), Peggy Nonan (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324412604578515673945731506.html?mod=rss_opinion_main http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788732441260457851...): "What does it mean when half the country—literally half the country—understands that the revenue-gathering arm of its federal government is politically corrupt, sees them as targets, and will shoot at them if they try to raise their heads? That is the kind of thing that can kill a country, letting half its citizens believe that they no longer have full political rights."

websitescenes 13y ago

I'm starting to think I'm the only one with a political science degree here.. But hey, you guys know better.

hga 13y ago
If that's where you got your manichean world view I've very glad I didn't take any polysci classes in college.
- websitescenes 13y ago
  Don't worry. It shows.