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NSA PRISM puts "public" cloud in a new light

35 points by tanglesome 13y ago

noir_lord 13y ago
I'd be absolutely amazed if this isn't happening. It's such an obvious target (and not just for the usual reasons, commercial intelligence collection does and has happened). I can see large non-American companies becoming very wary about using American hosted clouds going forwards.
mpyne 13y ago
"If your data is on the net, the potential is there for it to be spied on. Deal with it." The most important lesson of all this, IMO. Add NSA to the list of people and organizations in your Mallory set that you're already defending against and move on with your life. Everyone is worried about the government but they are the figurative "plane accident" compared to all of the other online threats we face every day (which would be the "car crash"). These are threats we already should have been protecting ourselves against, especially because they are still more likely to actually happen. Even if you think you got rid of the NSA (and you never will) there's still all the other black hats automatically penetrating systems all over the Internet, and they have no reason to limit themselves to nation-states or military organizations.
- PavlovsCat 13y ago
  Everyone is worried about the government but they are the figurative "plane accident" compared to all of the other online threats we face The difference is one is an accident or an action by third parties, the other is done by people who derive their authority from the populace, aka in your name. It's essentially the difference between how the wind blows and what your hand is doing. Even if you think you got rid of the NSA (and you never will) Not if your advice to "just move on" is followed, no. No wait, actually: remember how nobody could ever touch the mob, and how everybody would have spoken German for at least 1000 years, if the Roman Empire didn't still exist which it will always do? Yeah, me neither. there's still all the other black hats There is a difference between the wheel of crime being reinvented all the time by individuals, and letting it fester into huge organizations for which you are much more directly responsible.

35 points by tanglesome 13y ago

I'd be absolutely amazed if this isn't happening. It's such an obvious target (and not just for the usual reasons, commercial intelligence collection does and has happened). I can see large non-American companies becoming very wary about using American hosted clouds going forwards.

mpyne 13y ago

"If your data is on the net, the potential is there for it to be spied on. Deal with it." The most important lesson of all this, IMO. Add NSA to the list of people and organizations in your Mallory set that you're already defending against and move on with your life. Everyone is worried about the government but they are the figurative "plane accident" compared to all of the other online threats we face every day (which would be the "car crash"). These are threats we already should have been protecting ourselves against, especially because they are still more likely to actually happen. Even if you think you got rid of the NSA (and you never will) there's still all the other black hats automatically penetrating systems all over the Internet, and they have no reason to limit themselves to nation-states or military organizations.

PavlovsCat 13y ago
Everyone is worried about the government but they are the figurative "plane accident" compared to all of the other online threats we face The difference is one is an accident or an action by third parties, the other is done by people who derive their authority from the populace, aka in your name. It's essentially the difference between how the wind blows and what your hand is doing. Even if you think you got rid of the NSA (and you never will) Not if your advice to "just move on" is followed, no. No wait, actually: remember how nobody could ever touch the mob, and how everybody would have spoken German for at least 1000 years, if the Roman Empire didn't still exist which it will always do? Yeah, me neither. there's still all the other black hats There is a difference between the wheel of crime being reinvented all the time by individuals, and letting it fester into huge organizations for which you are much more directly responsible.