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You miss the point: DDG offers just search and doesn't log much. Google for example has another 10 (?) or more data points to connect you with that search, logs

You miss the point: DDG offers just search and doesn't log much. Google for example has another 10 (?) or more data points to connect you with that search, logs as much as they can and they hold it for ages. On Google NSA has to just ask for it, not worry about decrypting it.

mortehu 13y ago
My point is that you can't have privacy without security. As I mentioned in a past comment[1] you can opt out of having your search history stored, and delete what's currently stored by Google. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5842670 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5842670
- nitrogen 13y ago
  Does that actually delete all traces of the search history, or does it only delete a user's view of their "web history?" In other words, if a Google user is later involved in a court case, would a subpoena or a warrant be able to reveal their search history, even if they deleted their "web history"? It would be my expectation that Google still stores all of your search queries, even if you don't have web history enabled.
  - mortehu 13y ago
    Due to techniques like garbage collection, debug logs and full backups, I think it's difficult for huge litigation targets to make blanket statements about deleting user data. edit: Redacted part of the comment to avoid quoting policy out of context.
    - nitrogen 13y ago
      That says nothing about search history, and "stored" could only refer to the "Web History" feature itself.
      - deleted 13y ago
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- fwdbureau 13y ago
  Is it really deleted? Or are you simply opting out of having it displayed in your account's page? According to the FAQ, "If you remove items, they will be removed from the service and will not be used to improve your Google experience". Words are important. Your history is removed from the service, not the servers. It won't be used to improve your experience, but nothing says it won't be used for something else
- grey-area 13y ago
  What makes you think that stops google logging what you're doing? They explicitly reserve the right to continue to do so.

mortehu 13y ago

My point is that you can't have privacy without security. As I mentioned in a past comment[1] you can opt out of having your search history stored, and delete what's currently stored by Google. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5842670 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5842670

nitrogen 13y ago
Does that actually delete all traces of the search history, or does it only delete a user's view of their "web history?" In other words, if a Google user is later involved in a court case, would a subpoena or a warrant be able to reveal their search history, even if they deleted their "web history"? It would be my expectation that Google still stores all of your search queries, even if you don't have web history enabled.
- mortehu 13y ago
  Due to techniques like garbage collection, debug logs and full backups, I think it's difficult for huge litigation targets to make blanket statements about deleting user data. edit: Redacted part of the comment to avoid quoting policy out of context.
  - nitrogen 13y ago
    That says nothing about search history, and "stored" could only refer to the "Web History" feature itself.
    - deleted 13y ago
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fwdbureau 13y ago
Is it really deleted? Or are you simply opting out of having it displayed in your account's page? According to the FAQ, "If you remove items, they will be removed from the service and will not be used to improve your Google experience". Words are important. Your history is removed from the service, not the servers. It won't be used to improve your experience, but nothing says it won't be used for something else
grey-area 13y ago
What makes you think that stops google logging what you're doing? They explicitly reserve the right to continue to do so.