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U.S. asks Hong Kong to extradite Snowden
- weinzierl 13y agoWith all the news it is difficult to keep track: When did we receive the last sign of life from Snowden in Hong Kong? Do we know he is still there?
- cobrabyte 13y agoHope he hops on the plane to Iceland.
- throwaway10001 13y agoSomeone, you know who, will call in a bomb and force the plane to land in UK, or Germany or another US satellite state. Or maybe USAF F-16s will greet the plane along the way
- hkmurakami 13y agoWell this for we knew would happen. It was just a matter of time. Now we enter the undefined territory where we don't really know what to expect from the various levels of the Hong Kong court system, as well as potential Beijing influence in one way or even the polar opposite.
- clicks 13y agohttp://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/22/us-usa-security-snowden-charges-idUSBRE95K18220130622 http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/22/us-usa-security-sn... And they're urging Hong Kong to do it quickly. I wonder what the result of that will be.
- lignuist 13y ago"If Hong Kong doesn't act soon, it will complicate our bilateral relations and raise questions about Hong Kong's commitment to the rule of law," a senior Obama administration official told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity." This is totally disrespectful. I would call this extortion. Not good for bilateral relations.
- stackedmidgets 13y agoAnd American policy regarding spying on private people worldwide isn't bad for international relations? Isn't bad for relations with China? Isn't harmful to American businesses seeking to serve the Chinese market?
- mc32 13y agoAll the majort powers in the world spy on each other. They know that they each spy on each other. Friendly nations spy on each other; foes spy on each other. If nations know they spy on each others' 'national secrets' and don't publicly do much about it, I don't think they'll care much about the more quotidian things each other might record about their masses of people. Would the US care that France recorded American civilian citizens comms? I don't think so. Same for France. They might make some public fuss about it, but they care more about the spying on 'sensitive' information --and even then it's more of a 'game'.
- lignuist 13y agoOf course it is, but they are trying hard, to make it even worse.
- albahk 13y agoI think the US is overplaying their influence on HK. People in HK regularly protest (on the street, even) against Beijing's apparent interference in local politics or social matters such as education and elections. At the end of the day HK is part of China and this how they act towards Beijing. I don't think the US can waltz in to HK and apply their special brand of moral pressure for HK to 'do the right thing'...
- eliben 13y agoCan we please stop this? If anyone wants to follow this story, she can go to cnn.com or news.google.com; let's please leave HN for interesting technical content. This is truly becoming tiring.
- swombat 13y agoI feel this is important. I've upvoted it and will continue to upvote stories that get us closer to some kind of progress on the spying issue.
- derefr 13y agohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politician's_syllogism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politician's_syllogism The issue is important, and certainly, if some interesting new thing happens with interesting new HN-worthy implications, we should probably like to have a new conversation about it. Upvoting contentless fluff, however, will not "get us closer to some kind of progress" any more than clapping in a movie theatre will communicate your pleasure to the cast and crew of the movie.
- lukifer 13y ago> ...any more than clapping in a movie theatre will communicate your pleasure to the cast and crew of the movie. I know you're trying to illustrate via absurdity, but such things do have real impact. Each member of the theater shares the clapping experience and absorbs the social capital of how good the movie is, giving them a metric for recommending the movie to friends without risk of embarrassing themselves. If they loved the movie but hear no applause or other corroboration, their enthusiasm for spreading positive buzz about the movie is vastly diminished. ("Yeah, it was okay, I guess." doesn't put asses in seats.) Meanwhile, the cast and crew receive feedback based on the ticket sales created by word of mouth, which still remains the most powerful marketing tool in existence. It's easy to blame "the news cycle" for allowing important issues to fall into the memory hole, but I say We The People are equally culpable. The line must be drawn here, on a matter so fundamental to the nature of state power in a newly digital world, and in a rare case where the voters and ideologies of both parties are mostly in agreement, even if their leaders are too cowardly to stand up.
- blhack 13y agodoes the US charging him mean that they confirm what he us saying is true? Haven't they been playing the "he is crazy" card?
- mpyne 13y agoNo, they actually declassified some of the stuff he leaked as a result of the leak, so it's not just "ese hombre está loco, yo"
- kriro 13y agoPersonally I don't think he is in Hong Kong. Decent idea to just claim you are and be somewhere else.
- notdrunkatall 13y agoI hope that's the case.
- ANH 13y agoI have a hard time believing the US authorities want anyone to detain Snowden besides US authorities. He is, presumably, sitting on a big pile of classified but as-yet-unreleased information. Pure speculation (what fun!): perhaps Hong Kong law enforcement and the US know precisely where he is, but they are biding their time until they can get their ducks in a row for a US team to bring him back. All these public statements are just for show.
- dmoney 13y ago"A senior administration official also not authorized to speak publicly told USA TODAY that the United States is asking Hong Kong to act quickly on the request or risk complicating relations between the two for failing to hand Snowden over as required by international law. " So it's OK for senior administration officials to leak information without authorization, about trying to prosecute someone for leaking information without authorization...
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- graedus 13y agoIndeed, just like it's OK for top officials to leak about what a terrific success the drone program is and how it doesn't kill any civilians (NB: anyone killed by a drone is considered a "combatant" by definition in the official language[0]) [0] http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-in-war-on-al-qaeda.html?pagewanted=all http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-in...
- ck2 13y agoSo when a Chinese dissident tries to escape to the USA, all the Chinese have to do is charge them with espionage and ask the USA extradite them. What a crazy, dangerous game.
- jbjohns 13y agoThat part isn't dangerous at all. The US would simply say no.
- aneth4 13y agoChances US would extradite a Chinese dissident talking about CCP methods of oppression? Zero Chances Hong Kong will extradite Snowden? Very low I think.