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| However I have heard it suggested (IANAL) that | sufficient legal cleverness can allow this to be | characterised as a border search. Every airport is co

by pyre 13y ago

| However I have heard it suggested (IANAL) that | sufficient legal cleverness can allow this to be | characterised as a border search. Every airport is considered a 'border.' So even cities that are greater than 100 miles from a land border, or the ocean have a 100 mile circle around their airport where 'border searches' can happen. It doesn't take much legal cleverness to apply this to foreigners accessing US-based resources while sitting at home in a foreign country.

leoc 13y ago
But a PRISM 702 doesn't even apply while you access your cloud data; it's simply an authorisation to go in and take any or all of it (and then monitor your later accesses) regardless of whether you've even been near it recently or not. In any case, even if a PRISM search is a border search (not necessarily a search at the border) it's certainly not a search conducted abroad, at least when the servers with the user data are inside the US.
jessriedel 13y ago
The 100-mile number is taken from a federal law that was found to have no importance with respect to constitutionality. The Supreme Court made is clear that border searches must actually involve border crossing. http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=6933260753627774699 http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=6933260753627774...
- pyre 13y ago
  Tell that to the US Border Patrol searching an detaining people that just happen to be near the border. It's especially fun for people that have their visa status in limbo because the State Department is processing an update. They are allowed to stay here, but all of their official papers are expired, so Border Patrol throws them in jail for a few days until they sort things out with the State Department. This all happens on regular roads that are not within distance of a border crossing. This case is from 1973, and while it may presumably apply here, the CBP doesn't seem to think that it does.

by pyre 13y ago

leoc 13y ago

But a PRISM 702 doesn't even apply while you access your cloud data; it's simply an authorisation to go in and take any or all of it (and then monitor your later accesses) regardless of whether you've even been near it recently or not. In any case, even if a PRISM search is a border search (not necessarily a search at the border) it's certainly not a search conducted abroad, at least when the servers with the user data are inside the US.

jessriedel 13y ago

The 100-mile number is taken from a federal law that was found to have no importance with respect to constitutionality. The Supreme Court made is clear that border searches must actually involve border crossing. http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=6933260753627774699 http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=6933260753627774...

pyre 13y ago
Tell that to the US Border Patrol searching an detaining people that just happen to be near the border. It's especially fun for people that have their visa status in limbo because the State Department is processing an update. They are allowed to stay here, but all of their official papers are expired, so Border Patrol throws them in jail for a few days until they sort things out with the State Department. This all happens on regular roads that are not within distance of a border crossing. This case is from 1973, and while it may presumably apply here, the CBP doesn't seem to think that it does.