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It actually makes me mad! If you really need mac software then why not built a far more powerful and cheaper hackintosh. But why would you even want that? what

It actually makes me mad! If you really need mac software then why not built a far more powerful and cheaper hackintosh. But why would you even want that? what software is there for mac OS that there is a not an equivalent to for linux or windows?

dagw 13y ago
what software is there for mac OS that there is a not an equivalent to for linux or windows Most professionals don't want equivalent software, they want the software that they know and that is supported by all their plugins and hardware.
- everyone 13y ago
  Yes. So it is a combination of laziness/lack of time to retool and learn a new program, and, a case of, well I've already thrown X amount of money down this hole so I'll just keep going, to stop now I'd have to admit I made a bad choice.
  - dagw 13y ago
    Most pros I know will happily swap software if it will give them access to new features they need or will make them more efficient and productive. They won't switch just to save a few bucks. Even saving $10000 on hardware isn't enough to compensate for even a small drop in productivity.
  - cscurmudgeon 13y ago
    You think a Mac is a bad choice? You probably do very little dev. Of all the development environments I have seen so far, nothing beats the Mac. Even Emacs for Mac is light years better than plain old Emacs. http://aquamacs.org/ http://aquamacs.org/
    - everyone 13y ago
      Developer is a very broad term. What kind of developer are you? I'm a games developer. Emacs is great but it is essentially a text editor. there are literally 1000's of similar things of varying complexity depending on your preferences available for linux and windows.
      - cscurmudgeon 13y ago
        I develop a lot on Common Lisp. SLIME is Aquamacs beats any other so called IDEs and REPLs. If you think Emacs is just a text editor, you should come out of your shell (snicker, snicker).
  - notimetorelax 13y ago
    It could be also a question of how much your time costs, if cost of the new MacPro is relatively small why should you waste time learning new tools? You'll be literally losing money.
  - notimetorelax 13y ago
    It could be also a question of how much your time costs, if cost of the new MacPro is relatively small why should you waste time learning new tools? You'll be literally losing money.
  - notimetorelax 13y ago
    It could be also a question of how much your time costs, if cost of the new MacPro is relatively small why should you waste time learning new tools? You'll be literally losing money.
  - notimetorelax 13y ago
    It could be also a question of how much your time costs, if cost of the new MacPro is relatively small why should you waste time learning new tools? You'll be literally losing money.
  - notimetorelax 13y ago
    It could be also a question of how much your time costs, if cost of the new MacPro is relatively small why should you waste time learning new tools? You'll be literally losing money.
yareally 13y ago
I don't think you can have a legit Apple developer's account using hackintosh though if you wish to put apps into the OSX or iOS app store. Don't quote me on that though, but at the very least, it's going to complicate things. I'd like to be wrong about this though as it would simplify things (please provide links if you correct me :) ). However, a mac mini is good enough for such things normally. I'd stick with my custom built PC for anything else.
everyone 13y ago
The writer of this article is obviously very ignorant and does not know what he is talking about in terms of pc architecture. But he thinks he knows as, here he is writing a public article on the subject. My current theory for mac popularity is that is is down to the consumers ignorance and good marketing (read: shiny box).
- skue 13y ago
  Wait, Guy English is very ignorant and doesn't know what he is talking about? That's a hilariously ironic comment.
  - everyone 13y ago
    Well, I just read that article. And based on what he has written there. Yes.
objclxt 13y ago
>If you really need mac software then why not built a far more powerful and cheaper hackintosh I don't think it should make you mad. Different strokes for different folks. If I go to a car forum I bet I can find a lot of people who love BMW, and more still who love Mercedes Benz. They'll probably happily argue with each other about who makes the better cars, and why one brand is far superior to the other. And then there's probably also some people who are happy with either car. For you, there's no software on OS X that doesn't have an equivalent on Linux or Windows. But that might not be true for others (for example, I don't consider GIMP to be 'equivalent' to Photoshop...but you might). Another example - I used to work in live events, and used Mac Pros to drive video rigs. Could I have built a more powerful and cheaper hackintosh? Probably. But I doubt the build quality of what I'd put together would be superior. The cheese-grater Mac Pro could take a beating. Again, my needs are very different to yours. Please don't get angry on my account!
arrrg 13y ago
Why does that make you mad? I don't understand that. Different people have different priorities and tastes.
- everyone 13y ago
  Well it just seems like such a waste of money. Thats why. But on a more rational level, apple having more users and hence more clout is a bad thing as they have always used their influence to try and drive a wedge between different pc users by intentionally not supporting things.
  - nknighthb 13y ago
    If a $100/hour developer averages 30 minutes/week more productivity because they're using a Mac they're comfortable with, that's a savings of $7,800 over the course of a 3-year upgrade cycle. Try actually doing the math before you declare other peoples' considered choices a "waste of money".
    - everyone 13y ago
      No. Just saying "well I earn so much, so money is no object" does not make things less wasteful. Paying 2 to 4 times the price for the exact same components is wasteful. This is like the fella above basically saying "high-end professionals" dont need to be logical anymore.
      - nknighthb 13y ago
        You have failed to understand either my or the other "fella"'s points, which is that spending marginally more now saves much more in the long run. I feel like you don't understand actual business or finances at all. Are you perchance quite young?
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nknighthb 13y ago
> why not built a far more powerful and cheaper hackintosh Because I have better things to do with my time than assemble a poor substitute for a cohesive just-works experience. > what software is there for mac OS that there is a not an equivalent to for linux or windows As a developer, most of the exact same software I use every day on OS X runs on Linux just fine. And yet, Linux doesn't provide me with a good user experience, and it doesn't just work[1]. But fundamentally, you are just mad because other people like something you don't. Dwell on that for a while. [1] If you're going to try and argue with me about how great Ubuntu or Mint or whatever else are these days, let me save you the time: You're wrong, and there is absolutely nothing at all that you can say that will convince me otherwise, because I do use them, but they continue to fail me as primary desktops. Your words conflict with reality, and more words won't change that.
- KaiserPro 13y ago
  Linux is grand if you have a sysadmin to set it up for you. otherwise, it's going to take a while.
  - PommeDeTerre 13y ago
    That might've been true in the mid-1990s, but the various modern Linux distributions are quite straightforward to install, especially if it'll be the only OS running on the system.
    - KaiserPro 13y ago
      Not if you have a large infrastructure to integrate it into. Sadly we have to triple boot (win 7, RHEL5 & RHEL6) I'm a sysadmin and I make things just about bearable for my users. I install VLC, gitk, flash and chrome. I make sure that the email client is setup and talking to ldap/AD. Granted we use RHEL5/6, so there is a lot of work for me to do to make things nice for them. However RHEL/centos/SL whilst old and not trendy is a loverly slow moving target for our customers to jump onto. Granted mint and the like make installation easy, but integration is still hard.
  - 13y ago

dagw 13y ago

what software is there for mac OS that there is a not an equivalent to for linux or windows Most professionals don't want equivalent software, they want the software that they know and that is supported by all their plugins and hardware.

everyone 13y ago
Yes. So it is a combination of laziness/lack of time to retool and learn a new program, and, a case of, well I've already thrown X amount of money down this hole so I'll just keep going, to stop now I'd have to admit I made a bad choice.
- dagw 13y ago
  Most pros I know will happily swap software if it will give them access to new features they need or will make them more efficient and productive. They won't switch just to save a few bucks. Even saving $10000 on hardware isn't enough to compensate for even a small drop in productivity.
- cscurmudgeon 13y ago
  You think a Mac is a bad choice? You probably do very little dev. Of all the development environments I have seen so far, nothing beats the Mac. Even Emacs for Mac is light years better than plain old Emacs. http://aquamacs.org/ http://aquamacs.org/
  - everyone 13y ago
    Developer is a very broad term. What kind of developer are you? I'm a games developer. Emacs is great but it is essentially a text editor. there are literally 1000's of similar things of varying complexity depending on your preferences available for linux and windows.
    - cscurmudgeon 13y ago
      I develop a lot on Common Lisp. SLIME is Aquamacs beats any other so called IDEs and REPLs. If you think Emacs is just a text editor, you should come out of your shell (snicker, snicker).
- notimetorelax 13y ago
  It could be also a question of how much your time costs, if cost of the new MacPro is relatively small why should you waste time learning new tools? You'll be literally losing money.
- notimetorelax 13y ago
  It could be also a question of how much your time costs, if cost of the new MacPro is relatively small why should you waste time learning new tools? You'll be literally losing money.
- notimetorelax 13y ago
  It could be also a question of how much your time costs, if cost of the new MacPro is relatively small why should you waste time learning new tools? You'll be literally losing money.
- notimetorelax 13y ago
  It could be also a question of how much your time costs, if cost of the new MacPro is relatively small why should you waste time learning new tools? You'll be literally losing money.
- notimetorelax 13y ago
  It could be also a question of how much your time costs, if cost of the new MacPro is relatively small why should you waste time learning new tools? You'll be literally losing money.

yareally 13y ago

I don't think you can have a legit Apple developer's account using hackintosh though if you wish to put apps into the OSX or iOS app store. Don't quote me on that though, but at the very least, it's going to complicate things. I'd like to be wrong about this though as it would simplify things (please provide links if you correct me :) ). However, a mac mini is good enough for such things normally. I'd stick with my custom built PC for anything else.

everyone 13y ago

The writer of this article is obviously very ignorant and does not know what he is talking about in terms of pc architecture. But he thinks he knows as, here he is writing a public article on the subject. My current theory for mac popularity is that is is down to the consumers ignorance and good marketing (read: shiny box).

skue 13y ago
Wait, Guy English is very ignorant and doesn't know what he is talking about? That's a hilariously ironic comment.
- everyone 13y ago
  Well, I just read that article. And based on what he has written there. Yes.

objclxt 13y ago

>If you really need mac software then why not built a far more powerful and cheaper hackintosh I don't think it should make you mad. Different strokes for different folks. If I go to a car forum I bet I can find a lot of people who love BMW, and more still who love Mercedes Benz. They'll probably happily argue with each other about who makes the better cars, and why one brand is far superior to the other. And then there's probably also some people who are happy with either car. For you, there's no software on OS X that doesn't have an equivalent on Linux or Windows. But that might not be true for others (for example, I don't consider GIMP to be 'equivalent' to Photoshop...but you might). Another example - I used to work in live events, and used Mac Pros to drive video rigs. Could I have built a more powerful and cheaper hackintosh? Probably. But I doubt the build quality of what I'd put together would be superior. The cheese-grater Mac Pro could take a beating. Again, my needs are very different to yours. Please don't get angry on my account!

arrrg 13y ago

Why does that make you mad? I don't understand that. Different people have different priorities and tastes.

everyone 13y ago
Well it just seems like such a waste of money. Thats why. But on a more rational level, apple having more users and hence more clout is a bad thing as they have always used their influence to try and drive a wedge between different pc users by intentionally not supporting things.
- nknighthb 13y ago
  If a $100/hour developer averages 30 minutes/week more productivity because they're using a Mac they're comfortable with, that's a savings of $7,800 over the course of a 3-year upgrade cycle. Try actually doing the math before you declare other peoples' considered choices a "waste of money".
  - everyone 13y ago
    No. Just saying "well I earn so much, so money is no object" does not make things less wasteful. Paying 2 to 4 times the price for the exact same components is wasteful. This is like the fella above basically saying "high-end professionals" dont need to be logical anymore.
    - nknighthb 13y ago
      You have failed to understand either my or the other "fella"'s points, which is that spending marginally more now saves much more in the long run. I feel like you don't understand actual business or finances at all. Are you perchance quite young?
- deleted 13y ago
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nknighthb 13y ago

> why not built a far more powerful and cheaper hackintosh Because I have better things to do with my time than assemble a poor substitute for a cohesive just-works experience. > what software is there for mac OS that there is a not an equivalent to for linux or windows As a developer, most of the exact same software I use every day on OS X runs on Linux just fine. And yet, Linux doesn't provide me with a good user experience, and it doesn't just work[1]. But fundamentally, you are just mad because other people like something you don't. Dwell on that for a while. [1] If you're going to try and argue with me about how great Ubuntu or Mint or whatever else are these days, let me save you the time: You're wrong, and there is absolutely nothing at all that you can say that will convince me otherwise, because I do use them, but they continue to fail me as primary desktops. Your words conflict with reality, and more words won't change that.

KaiserPro 13y ago
Linux is grand if you have a sysadmin to set it up for you. otherwise, it's going to take a while.
- PommeDeTerre 13y ago
  That might've been true in the mid-1990s, but the various modern Linux distributions are quite straightforward to install, especially if it'll be the only OS running on the system.
  - KaiserPro 13y ago
    Not if you have a large infrastructure to integrate it into. Sadly we have to triple boot (win 7, RHEL5 & RHEL6) I'm a sysadmin and I make things just about bearable for my users. I install VLC, gitk, flash and chrome. I make sure that the email client is setup and talking to ldap/AD. Granted we use RHEL5/6, so there is a lot of work for me to do to make things nice for them. However RHEL/centos/SL whilst old and not trendy is a loverly slow moving target for our customers to jump onto. Granted mint and the like make installation easy, but integration is still hard.
- 13y ago