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> It's always nice to look directly at the data. It is, but you should keep in mind there isn't just one "the data" and in this case, what data source you pick
by glenra 13y ago
> It's always nice to look directly at the data.
It is, but you should keep in mind there isn't just one "the data" and in this case, what data source you pick affects what answer you get. The people you're arguing with might be looking at something other than GISS. For instance, here's the WoodForTrees index:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/wti http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/wti
the WoodForTrees Index is an average of four popular temperature series. This index was created specifically in order to reduce the need for arguing about which series to use. I believe the current formula is:
WTI = mean(GISTEMP-0.35, HADCRUT3VGL-0.26, RSS-0.10, UAH)
Playing around with the data sources, it seems like 1998 was an all-time high within the period of the satellite record - not surpassed by "a few years even warmer in the 21st century" - according to three out of four of those. Specifically, UAH, HADCRU3, and RSS. It was surpassed according to GISS or HADCRU4.
So not only is it not inaccurate to say "Since 1998, the warmest year of the twentieth century", it also would not be inaccurate to say "Since 1998, the warmest year for which we have satellite records."
- asynchronous13 13y agoWood for Trees is great! I didn't know about that before. (you say it's an average, but then use mean in the equation, that's a significant distinction) UAH and RSS measure lower troposphere, while GISS and HADCRUT measure surface temperatures. I'm usually more interested in the temperatures in the first 10 feet of atmosphere rather than the first 10 miles of atmosphere (of course, I don't make climate models). HADCRUT4 is a different model of the same source data that HADCRUT3 uses and in theory should be more accurate. In any case, you've got the hang of it now. By selecting a convenient data source, one can make many creative and not inaccurate statements.
- glenra 13y agoBy the way, when skeptics say there's been "no warming for the last decade", they often mean this: http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/wti/last:120/plot/wti/last:120/trend http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/wti/last:120/plot/wti/last:... That one works even if you use GISS - the trend for the last ten years is cooling. (The trend over several other recent periods is "warming, but not very much".) Note: the way I plotted "the last ten years" was to plot the last 120 monthly samples. The WRONG way to do that is to specify a "From" year and plot to the current day, because the resulting chart wouldn't start and end on the same month.