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The pardon petition also only needs more 7k signatures: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/pardon-edward-snowden/Dp03vGYD?at93 https://petitions.whitehou
by DanielRibeiro 13y ago
The pardon petition also only needs more 7k signatures: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/pardon-edward-snowden/Dp03vGYD?at93 https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/pardon-edward-snow...
Remember that the goal is to get the government address the issue, and show that the people are not fine with the NSA's actions. It would be nice to get them to actually pardon him, but that is a much harder goal.
- evilduck 13y agoHas any whitehouse.gov petition ever led to actual action being taken?
- exiva 13y agoThe White House Honey Ale recipe was released from a we the people petition... So, no.
- bobzimuta 13y agohttps://petitions.whitehouse.gov/response/ale-chief-white-house-beer-recipe https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/response/ale-chief-white-ho...
- bbatsell 13y agoHere are the ones I can recall off the top of my head: * CISPA veto threat/defeat [https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/response/cybersecurity-legislation-must-not-violate-americans-right-privacy https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/response/cybersecurity-legi...] * New open-access rules [https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/response/increasing-public-access-results-scientific-research https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/response/increasing-public-...] * Halting use of animals in military training [https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/immediately-halt-cruel-and-unnecessary-use-monkeys-army-chemical-casualty-management-training/tt2v2mc6 https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/immediately-halt-c...]
- dragonwriter 13y agoThe animals one obviously doesn't count [1], since the petition was created September 27th, 2011, and the order halting the use of animals was issued September 20th, 2011. [1] Barring time travel
- bobwaycott 13y agoPerhaps the order and the petition were quantumly entangled, thus allowing for the measurement of the petition to affect the known outcome of the order.
- betterunix 13y agoI am pretty sure the CISPA veto and the open access rules were only tangentially affected by the petitions. The open access rules were a response to the treatment of Aaron Swartz, which was creating a media storm that was causing more people to notice the general abuses of power by prosecutors in this country. The CISPA veto threat followed pressure from lobbyists and well-connected corporations. Did the petitions matter at all? Maybe, but they were not even remotely close to being sufficient to get the administration to do anything. The Obama administration already knows how people feel about the Snowden situation; the petition is basically irrelevant.
- techtalsky 13y agoMy opinion about it is that it's ONE way for them to take the temperature of the people. Of course 100,000 signatures alone isn't going to create meaningful action but it does allow for a certain amount of visibility into what's bubbling up to the surface. Thus, it's valuable... just not as valuable as some hope it will be.
- fusiongyro 13y agoIt takes ten seconds and costs nothing. I honestly don't understand the argument against it. It may be no better than nothing, but it can hardly be worse.
- corin_ 13y agoIt could perhaps be worse, either because it makes 100,000 people (or however many) think "well I've done by part now!" so they become complacent, or because the administration thinks "well they've got it off their chest with a petition, that will keep them away from doing anything stronger so let's keep going with what we were doing". Definitely subjective, though.
- fearlessleader 13y agoWhat if the 'buzz' generated by all of these people inspires a few people to actually do substantive? Kinda like how spam only needs a few clicks per million to generate a profit. This is just speculation but it helps me cope with the facebook activism.
- corin_ 13y agoI should clarify that I wasn't warning against signing the petition, merely adding a thought to the "well at the very worst it can't do any harm" logic. Make up your own mind on whether signing it is good, bad, or neither :)
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- mseebach 13y agoThe argument is the same, but from the opposite end: Because it costs nothing and takes ten seconds. Why should I care about an opinion if the proponent can't invest more than that into it (say, a phone call to your congressman). What other artefacts of zero-cost, (near-) zero-effort expression should be considered in the legislative process?
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- sneak 13y agoNo.
- notTptacek 13y agoMeanwhile people in Brazil take to the streets to protest about increases in public transport fares...
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- matchu 13y agoDown to 5.5k two hours after your comment. At this rate, we should be done pretty darn soon.
- intelliot 13y agoDown to 1.9k six hours after his comment. Good progress :)
- nebula 13y agoOnly 2.7K needed now.
- piyush_soni 13y agoDone now :).
- mverwijs 13y agoI'm surprised that I, as a non-US citizen living in the Netherlands, could sign that.
- espadrine 13y agoWatching Hulu.com videos should clearly be US-only, while a petition website targeted at US citizen is for everybody!
- mverwijs 13y agoWell, it's really very logical. After all, we non-US folk are the ones being spied on as well. Or mostly, even. It's only fair that we have a say in the politics of the US, as their politicians seem to find it fair to meddle in ours.
- nebula 13y agoJust don't tell anyone in the whitehouse :)
- chid 13y agoDown to 0 signatures needed :) Reached the 100k! (100,162 right now)
- systematical 13y agoSigned, thanks for posting!