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What's the actual protest? That the paper FOIA requests don't include the required information to honor said request, allowing the NSA to throw out the request

What's the actual protest? That the paper FOIA requests don't include the required information to honor said request, allowing the NSA to throw out the requests entirely without having to spend time fulfilling them? Sounds more like the ~~company~~ guy is trying to cover for ~~its~~ his fuckup filling out the forms. It's a much more effective protest to actually make the NSA follow through with the requests. Edit: Also, from http://www.mynsarecords.com/contact/ http://www.mynsarecords.com/contact/ To reach Jon, please e-mail: jcorbett [at] fourtentech.com Yes, how did they get your email, indeed. Probably some kind of spy technology. This man is an idiot, please don't fill up HN with this drivel.

tsaoutourpants 13y ago
- I am "the company guy" / "idiot" - Forms were generated via script, so no "fucking up filling out forms" (by me, anyway) - A few people entered incomplete addresses, but I sent them anyway because I thought the address was sufficient to reach them (for example, missing city but valid ZIP) - 95% of the forms I sent had full, valid addresses - The NSA wasn't provided with my Web site, so in order to get the e-mail, they had to stalk that down first
- tsaoutourpants 13y ago
  Also, people who submitted obviously invalid addresses were contacted by e-mail and allowed to re-submit. Pretty stupid, right? ;)
  - diminoten 13y ago
    It just explains the part of the NSA's letter to you where you pretended like they lied or were being misleading. Turns out, you were being misleading, not them.
    - tsaoutourpants 13y ago
      What are you smoking? Go back through my comments and point to one where I suggested that the NSA's e-mail to me was a lie. At most, I suggested it was an exaggeration since they said "many" of the requests had invalid addresses, while I contend that it was less than 5%.
- diminoten 13y ago
  I Googled the address you list on your website. Your name comes up. Googling your name reveals your blog. Your blog links to the mynsarecords website. Took me 2 minutes. Edit: I'm not as quick as pavs though, it only took him 30s: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5920564
agwa 13y ago
> This man is an idiot, please don't fill up HN with this drivel. This personal insult is uncalled for. It's easy to sit around and complain about what the government is doing, but this man has actually gone out and done something - setting up infrastructure to make it easier for the average person to submit these requests, he is spreading the word, etc. He has also done great work protesting the TSA.
- diminoten 13y ago
  He muddies the water, and increases the signal/noise ratio. Idiot may have been harsh as a judgement of character, but this post is idiotic.
- saraid216 13y ago
  The linked post is not "great work". It's ignorance piled on indignation.
  - cg410 13y ago
    Piled on your mom!
- tzs 13y ago
  > It's easy to sit around and complain about what the government is doing, but this man has actually gone out and done something - setting up infrastructure to make it easier for the average person to submit these requests His infrastructure does not make it easier to submit these requests. It is harder to submit them with his stuff than to use the NSA's own form: http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/foia/submit_foia_request/foia_request_form.shtml http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/foia/submit_foia_request/foia...

tsaoutourpants 13y ago

- I am "the company guy" / "idiot" - Forms were generated via script, so no "fucking up filling out forms" (by me, anyway) - A few people entered incomplete addresses, but I sent them anyway because I thought the address was sufficient to reach them (for example, missing city but valid ZIP) - 95% of the forms I sent had full, valid addresses - The NSA wasn't provided with my Web site, so in order to get the e-mail, they had to stalk that down first

tsaoutourpants 13y ago
Also, people who submitted obviously invalid addresses were contacted by e-mail and allowed to re-submit. Pretty stupid, right? ;)
- diminoten 13y ago
  It just explains the part of the NSA's letter to you where you pretended like they lied or were being misleading. Turns out, you were being misleading, not them.
  - tsaoutourpants 13y ago
    What are you smoking? Go back through my comments and point to one where I suggested that the NSA's e-mail to me was a lie. At most, I suggested it was an exaggeration since they said "many" of the requests had invalid addresses, while I contend that it was less than 5%.
diminoten 13y ago
I Googled the address you list on your website. Your name comes up. Googling your name reveals your blog. Your blog links to the mynsarecords website. Took me 2 minutes. Edit: I'm not as quick as pavs though, it only took him 30s: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5920564

agwa 13y ago

> This man is an idiot, please don't fill up HN with this drivel. This personal insult is uncalled for. It's easy to sit around and complain about what the government is doing, but this man has actually gone out and done something - setting up infrastructure to make it easier for the average person to submit these requests, he is spreading the word, etc. He has also done great work protesting the TSA.

diminoten 13y ago
He muddies the water, and increases the signal/noise ratio. Idiot may have been harsh as a judgement of character, but this post is idiotic.
saraid216 13y ago
The linked post is not "great work". It's ignorance piled on indignation.
- cg410 13y ago
  Piled on your mom!
tzs 13y ago
> It's easy to sit around and complain about what the government is doing, but this man has actually gone out and done something - setting up infrastructure to make it easier for the average person to submit these requests His infrastructure does not make it easier to submit these requests. It is harder to submit them with his stuff than to use the NSA's own form: http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/foia/submit_foia_request/foia_request_form.shtml http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/foia/submit_foia_request/foia...