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Last I checked, bills get introduced by representatives, not auto dealers.

by cobrausn 13y ago

peterwwillis 13y ago
Congratulations, you missed the point.
- cobrausn 13y ago
  Feel free to restate it in such a way that it isn't so easily missed.
  - peterwwillis 13y ago
    His tweet makes the claim that 'auto dealers' specifically are the ones trying to get the bill passed. I was even so quick as to use the wrong terminology 'automaker', which is a different thing entirely. Auto dealers are basically the guys trying to screw you over on the price of a new car. In other words, NOT Ford, or Toyota, or Volvo. But the guys selling the cars. This is equivalent to, for example, mistaking the guy who runs a BP gas station with BP the company. Boycotting the gas station does jack shit to the bottom line of BP, though it does make for nasty public relations. On top of that, he does so with no evidence that 'auto dealers' are even behind this bill being pushed through. Maybe it is the auto makers and not the dealers. Maybe it's a different source entirely, like the oil industry. Who the fuck knows? And that's my point - this is an ambiguous incendiary tweet alleging something we don't know and can't prove. The only thing that's a real fact is there's a bill in New York and Elon Musk wants you to get mad about it.
    - leephillips 13y ago
      "Who the fuck knows?" Anyone who's following this issue, even cursorily. In my state of Virginia, it's no secret that the auto dealers have formed a cartel and are leaning on every level of government to forbid Tesla from selling cars here. This activity is not remotely secret, and is known to be happening in several states. There may be other groups pushing this anticompetitive legislation in NY, but the chance that the dealers are not is vanishingly small.
fragmede 13y ago
According to links to the state.ny.us links posted above; Zeldin, Carlucci, Gantt, Heastie, Jaffee, McDonald, Abinanti, DenDekker, and Mayer are all sponsors of the bill.

Last I checked, bills get introduced by representatives, not auto dealers.

peterwwillis 13y ago

Congratulations, you missed the point.

cobrausn 13y ago
Feel free to restate it in such a way that it isn't so easily missed.
- peterwwillis 13y ago
  His tweet makes the claim that 'auto dealers' specifically are the ones trying to get the bill passed. I was even so quick as to use the wrong terminology 'automaker', which is a different thing entirely. Auto dealers are basically the guys trying to screw you over on the price of a new car. In other words, NOT Ford, or Toyota, or Volvo. But the guys selling the cars. This is equivalent to, for example, mistaking the guy who runs a BP gas station with BP the company. Boycotting the gas station does jack shit to the bottom line of BP, though it does make for nasty public relations. On top of that, he does so with no evidence that 'auto dealers' are even behind this bill being pushed through. Maybe it is the auto makers and not the dealers. Maybe it's a different source entirely, like the oil industry. Who the fuck knows? And that's my point - this is an ambiguous incendiary tweet alleging something we don't know and can't prove. The only thing that's a real fact is there's a bill in New York and Elon Musk wants you to get mad about it.
  - leephillips 13y ago
    "Who the fuck knows?" Anyone who's following this issue, even cursorily. In my state of Virginia, it's no secret that the auto dealers have formed a cartel and are leaning on every level of government to forbid Tesla from selling cars here. This activity is not remotely secret, and is known to be happening in several states. There may be other groups pushing this anticompetitive legislation in NY, but the chance that the dealers are not is vanishingly small.

fragmede 13y ago

According to links to the state.ny.us links posted above; Zeldin, Carlucci, Gantt, Heastie, Jaffee, McDonald, Abinanti, DenDekker, and Mayer are all sponsors of the bill.