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Title should really say "NY State Senators." (It used to say NY Senators which I would assume is NY US Senators, but it's been changed.)
by smackfu 13y ago
Title should really say "NY State Senators." (It used to say NY Senators which I would assume is NY US Senators, but it's been changed.)
- peterwwillis 13y ago"NY State Senators allegedly trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY" would be nice too. Though really, even that's incorrect: it's the automakers who are alleged to be doing this, not state senators. But screw it, let's spread some FUD. Let me go post on Facebook about how the government is trying to destroy Elon Musk.
- cobrausn 13y agoLast I checked, bills get introduced by representatives, not auto dealers.
- peterwwillis 13y agoCongratulations, you missed the point.
- cobrausn 13y agoFeel free to restate it in such a way that it isn't so easily missed.
- peterwwillis 13y agoHis tweet makes the claim that 'auto dealers' specifically are the ones trying to get the bill passed. I was even so quick as to use the wrong terminology 'automaker', which is a different thing entirely. Auto dealers are basically the guys trying to screw you over on the price of a new car. In other words, NOT Ford, or Toyota, or Volvo. But the guys selling the cars. This is equivalent to, for example, mistaking the guy who runs a BP gas station with BP the company. Boycotting the gas station does jack shit to the bottom line of BP, though it does make for nasty public relations. On top of that, he does so with no evidence that 'auto dealers' are even behind this bill being pushed through. Maybe it is the auto makers and not the dealers. Maybe it's a different source entirely, like the oil industry. Who the fuck knows? And that's my point - this is an ambiguous incendiary tweet alleging something we don't know and can't prove. The only thing that's a real fact is there's a bill in New York and Elon Musk wants you to get mad about it.
- leephillips 13y ago"Who the fuck knows?" Anyone who's following this issue, even cursorily. In my state of Virginia, it's no secret that the auto dealers have formed a cartel and are leaning on every level of government to forbid Tesla from selling cars here. This activity is not remotely secret, and is known to be happening in several states. There may be other groups pushing this anticompetitive legislation in NY, but the chance that the dealers are not is vanishingly small.
- fragmede 13y agoAccording to links to the state.ny.us links posted above; Zeldin, Carlucci, Gantt, Heastie, Jaffee, McDonald, Abinanti, DenDekker, and Mayer are all sponsors of the bill.
- Spooky23 13y agoAcutally, no. State Senators Zeldin and Carlucci sponsored a bill that it would make it impossible for Tesla to operate in NYS. Now while New York Auto Dealers is likely to have lobbied for this bill, the State Senators nominally wrote the legislation and sponsored the bill. In New York, the legislative session is winding down, so it is a particularly dangerous time for bad legislation to be introduced.
- hamburglar 13y agoI'll be interested in seeing how those senators feel about tax revenue lost if lots of people end up going out of state to buy expensive cars. It's not like it's that hard to find a border to go across in New York.
- danielweber 13y agoWithout looking, I'm going to say it's a pretty safe bet that New York has taxes that take effect when you transfer a car in-state.
- nrivadeneira 13y agoI don't believe that's true. You don't get charged sales tax multiple times just because you're moving your property to another state. That being said, I doubt a low volume car constitutes any significant amount of tax revenue.
- Spooky23 13y agoThey don't lose revenue... You pay tax where you register, unless you live out of state.
- eli 13y agoAllegedly. Is there any other source who speaks this dialect of legalese and has concluded that that's what the bill would do? Have the bill's sponsors had a chance to explain the bill?
- sshconnection 13y agoIn many local governments, car dealerships are some of the largest businesses and financial contributors.