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Women have been the target of systematic oppression for millenia, of which sexual violence has been a primary tool. Are you open to the possibility that that mi

by Cushman 13y ago

Women have been the target of systematic oppression for millenia, of which sexual violence has been a primary tool. Are you open to the possibility that that might not be over quite yet? That that might actually be deserving of a little sensitivity?

hacker789 13y ago
Oh yes. I'm sure everyone would agree history has been so much easier on men than on women. The world isn't black and white.
- Cushman 13y ago
  Everyone doesn't agree the Holocaust happened, either. It's not hard to understand why.
  - eatitraw 13y ago
    Why are you so sure that you aren't the one who "denies Holocaust" in this discussion?
pizza234 13y ago
That's a very naive thought Do you think that women in the meanwhile, has been just poor victims? Don't forget that women are generally way ahead of men in human skills. Men and women have, their own forms of dominance. I agree that physical dominance is despicable, but don't think that the forms of dominance were going only in a single direction.
- Cushman 13y ago
  No. This is ludicrous revisionism, and you should be ashamed for saying it. You do not get to treat a group of people as property for thousands of years, and then when they finally claw a measure of autonomy back from you say, "Well, that about evens the score."
  - papsosouid 13y ago
    >You do not get to treat a group of people as property for thousands of years Ignoring the fact that your scenario is absurd hyperbole, and men had things just as shit as women did, the you in question wasn't involved. Nobody in this discussion ever owned a woman. Pretending they committed some horrible crime to justify your prejudice is pathetic.
    - Cushman 13y ago
      Ignoring the fact that the status of women as property was a literal and legal fact for thousands of years... I don't subscribe to such a convenient ethics, I'm afraid. The enormous power I derive from the society I live in I owe, in good part, to racial slavery, to the genocide of the people who lived where I live now, and, yes, to the systematic oppression of women, all in the name of the very nation I now consider myself a part of. By my privilege, I owe a moral debt to those murdered, enslaved, and terrorized people, and if it cannot be repaid it should at least be atoned for. I could likewise say that I do not enslave children, while I purchase products made by those who do; but I do not believe that is the path to a better world.
      - papsosouid 13y ago
        >Ignoring the fact that the status of women as property was a literal and legal fact for thousands of years No, it wasn't. You are deliberately conflating the life of some women to that of women period. It would be every bit as absurd and dishonest to claim that "the status of men as property was a literal and legal fact for thousands of years" because some men were slaves. > By my privilege, I owe a moral debt to those murdered, enslaved, and terrorized people, and if it cannot be repaid it should at least be atoned for. Yes, I know that your beliefs are hilarious. I am not suggesting that I do not understand them, but rather that they are in fact ridiculous. You can not atone for someone else's actions, and even if you could, being a whiney, hypersensitive bully on the internet is not atoning for anything.
        Cushman 13y ago
Crake 13y ago
Men have been the target of systematic oppression for millenia, too, you know. Throughout all of history, it's men that have been forced to fight and die in wars without any choice in the matter. There's a lot of raping of males that goes on in Africa during their various wars, but any coverage will inevitably focus on women instead (due to funding issues--no one cares about a male rape victim). Life is hard for everyone, male and female.

by Cushman 13y ago

hacker789 13y ago

Oh yes. I'm sure everyone would agree history has been so much easier on men than on women. The world isn't black and white.

Cushman 13y ago
Everyone doesn't agree the Holocaust happened, either. It's not hard to understand why.
- eatitraw 13y ago
  Why are you so sure that you aren't the one who "denies Holocaust" in this discussion?

pizza234 13y ago

That's a very naive thought Do you think that women in the meanwhile, has been just poor victims? Don't forget that women are generally way ahead of men in human skills. Men and women have, their own forms of dominance. I agree that physical dominance is despicable, but don't think that the forms of dominance were going only in a single direction.

Cushman 13y ago
No. This is ludicrous revisionism, and you should be ashamed for saying it. You do not get to treat a group of people as property for thousands of years, and then when they finally claw a measure of autonomy back from you say, "Well, that about evens the score."
- papsosouid 13y ago
  >You do not get to treat a group of people as property for thousands of years Ignoring the fact that your scenario is absurd hyperbole, and men had things just as shit as women did, the you in question wasn't involved. Nobody in this discussion ever owned a woman. Pretending they committed some horrible crime to justify your prejudice is pathetic.
  - Cushman 13y ago
    Ignoring the fact that the status of women as property was a literal and legal fact for thousands of years... I don't subscribe to such a convenient ethics, I'm afraid. The enormous power I derive from the society I live in I owe, in good part, to racial slavery, to the genocide of the people who lived where I live now, and, yes, to the systematic oppression of women, all in the name of the very nation I now consider myself a part of. By my privilege, I owe a moral debt to those murdered, enslaved, and terrorized people, and if it cannot be repaid it should at least be atoned for. I could likewise say that I do not enslave children, while I purchase products made by those who do; but I do not believe that is the path to a better world.
    - papsosouid 13y ago
      >Ignoring the fact that the status of women as property was a literal and legal fact for thousands of years No, it wasn't. You are deliberately conflating the life of some women to that of women period. It would be every bit as absurd and dishonest to claim that "the status of men as property was a literal and legal fact for thousands of years" because some men were slaves. > By my privilege, I owe a moral debt to those murdered, enslaved, and terrorized people, and if it cannot be repaid it should at least be atoned for. Yes, I know that your beliefs are hilarious. I am not suggesting that I do not understand them, but rather that they are in fact ridiculous. You can not atone for someone else's actions, and even if you could, being a whiney, hypersensitive bully on the internet is not atoning for anything.
      - Cushman 13y ago

Crake 13y ago

Men have been the target of systematic oppression for millenia, too, you know. Throughout all of history, it's men that have been forced to fight and die in wars without any choice in the matter. There's a lot of raping of males that goes on in Africa during their various wars, but any coverage will inevitably focus on women instead (due to funding issues--no one cares about a male rape victim). Life is hard for everyone, male and female.