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Freedom of Speech goes out the window when you start dealing with private enterprise. Kickstarter doesn't have the power to "ban" anything more than you or I. T

Freedom of Speech goes out the window when you start dealing with private enterprise. Kickstarter doesn't have the power to "ban" anything more than you or I. They're just addressing the kind of content they don't want to be promoting, which is totally within their rights.

Apocryphon 13y ago
It's pretty hilarious when libertarians and believers in unfettered free enterprise cry foul against corporations and businesses for having content standards.
- gradys 13y ago
  Are you of the opinion that all libertarians think this way? None of the ones I know would fail to understand this.
  - Apocryphon 13y ago
    I'm only referring to the specific ones who would be against Kickstarter's decision by arguments that it "violates free speech." Not all minarchists.
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dspeyer 13y ago
There don't seem to be any direct competitors to kickstarter, so when kickstarter chooses to ban something from their site, they ban it from getting kickstarted. Just because they don't use violence doesn't mean they don't have power, or that their power doesn't come with responsibility.
- jmduke 13y ago
  There are lots of competitors to kickstarter, such as http://www.indiegogo.com/ http://www.indiegogo.com/. Hell, the idea of a kickstarter isn't exactly difficult to replicate: we've seen many, many sites (App.Net and Soylent among them) 'roll their own'.
- chrisbennet 13y ago
  Google "kickstarter competitors" "8 Kickstarter Alternatives" http://mashable.com/2012/12/06/kickstarter-alternatives/ http://mashable.com/2012/12/06/kickstarter-alternatives/
- draq 13y ago
  Are you saying there is a market failure for crowd-funding? (<irony>Maybe we need some government intervention?</irony> Or that because Kickstarter is an amazing service that has conquered a niche, it has the moral obligation to incorporate the Bill of Rights into their ToS?
- earh 13y ago
  The deep irony is that the people complaining about the book's supposed abuse of "male power over women", completely fail to acknowledge Kickstarter's power over its users, even though both the same concept.
iandanforth 13y ago
> Freedom of Speech goes out the window when you start dealing with private enterprise. Why? And before you answer, take a quick survey of all the means you used to communicate today. How many of them were provided by 'private enterprise?' And how much of your day was spent on property owned by 'private enterprise?' Not that we're going to resolve this debate in a thread :) but please consider the implications of this assumption. Also note I'm not advocating for a say anything you want whenever, wherever world.

Apocryphon 13y ago

It's pretty hilarious when libertarians and believers in unfettered free enterprise cry foul against corporations and businesses for having content standards.

gradys 13y ago
Are you of the opinion that all libertarians think this way? None of the ones I know would fail to understand this.
- Apocryphon 13y ago
  I'm only referring to the specific ones who would be against Kickstarter's decision by arguments that it "violates free speech." Not all minarchists.
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dspeyer 13y ago

There don't seem to be any direct competitors to kickstarter, so when kickstarter chooses to ban something from their site, they ban it from getting kickstarted. Just because they don't use violence doesn't mean they don't have power, or that their power doesn't come with responsibility.

jmduke 13y ago
There are lots of competitors to kickstarter, such as http://www.indiegogo.com/ http://www.indiegogo.com/. Hell, the idea of a kickstarter isn't exactly difficult to replicate: we've seen many, many sites (App.Net and Soylent among them) 'roll their own'.
chrisbennet 13y ago
Google "kickstarter competitors" "8 Kickstarter Alternatives" http://mashable.com/2012/12/06/kickstarter-alternatives/ http://mashable.com/2012/12/06/kickstarter-alternatives/
draq 13y ago
Are you saying there is a market failure for crowd-funding? (<irony>Maybe we need some government intervention?</irony> Or that because Kickstarter is an amazing service that has conquered a niche, it has the moral obligation to incorporate the Bill of Rights into their ToS?
earh 13y ago
The deep irony is that the people complaining about the book's supposed abuse of "male power over women", completely fail to acknowledge Kickstarter's power over its users, even though both the same concept.

iandanforth 13y ago

> Freedom of Speech goes out the window when you start dealing with private enterprise. Why? And before you answer, take a quick survey of all the means you used to communicate today. How many of them were provided by 'private enterprise?' And how much of your day was spent on property owned by 'private enterprise?' Not that we're going to resolve this debate in a thread :) but please consider the implications of this assumption. Also note I'm not advocating for a say anything you want whenever, wherever world.