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Likewise, I get 700 miles (~1100km) from a 10 imperial gallon (45l) tank. With that said, it's not sensible to compare a modern european small car with the ave

by ctz 13y ago

Likewise, I get 700 miles (~1100km) from a 10 imperial gallon (45l) tank. With that said, it's not sensible to compare a modern european small car with the average US car. Particularly the class of car that the Model S is competing with (which are typically expensive, have a high capacity and relatively inefficient engine, and luxury interior).

Hermel 13y ago
If filling up your tank takes 2 minutes (1 minute filling + 1 minute overhead), you can tank 350 miles per minute. The Tesla S gets 265 miles in 1.5 minutes, which is 175 miles per minute. So your car can be refilled twice as fast as the Tesla S when measured in miles. Furthermore, you need to recharge the Tesla more often. At least, Elon is honest about it and says "this is about convincing the people that are skeptics". (And not about making a fair comparison.)
- jcromartie 13y ago
  Most US drivers are not getting 700 miles from a 12 US gallon tank (58 US MPG). The average fuel economy of US cars is 24.6 MPG. An Audi A6, in the US at least, gets 33 highway MPG and has a 19.8 gallon fuel tank. And yes, of course you charge the Tesla more often. You charge it every night when you come home, and it's ready with a full charge the next morning. That's just a totally different usage pattern from only filling up when it gets low like you do with a gasoline powered car. I'd bet that most Tesla drivers will never have to stop to recharge, mostly because they will use their Tesla around town, and will take long trips in another car or fly, because Tesla owners are wealthy. EDIT: converted imperial gallons to US
  - mikeash 13y ago
    Note that imperial gallons are substantially larger than the regular kind. A 10 imperial gallon tank holds 12 US gallons, and so 700 miles from a 10 imperial gallon tank is actually about 58MPG. Still very high, of course.
    - loup-vaillant 13y ago
      Nitpick: regular kind? That's quite… culture centric. The only "regular" capacity unit that I know of comes from a deliberate attempt to normalize every units. Namely, the Litre from the metric system. Smug Frenchman
      - mikeash 13y ago
        It's not my fault that one of the units is just the name of the other unit with a modifier. It's not like "gallon" is shorthand for something longer and more formal.
        chockablock 13y ago
        Hint: when an Englishman walks into a pub, he doesn't order an 'imperial pint' of beer...
        btbuilder 13y ago
        imperial gallon & US gallon? Or maybe more interesting but historical "ale gallon" and "wine gallon".
  - baddox 13y ago
    > I'd bet that most Tesla drivers will never have to stop to recharge, mostly because they will use their Tesla around town, and will take long trips in another car or fly, because Tesla owners are wealthy. That's probably true, but much of the recent marketing around battery swaps and transcontinental charging networks is aimed specifically at road trips. I suppose one would argue that they're working on this infrastructure now for the future when much more affordable EVs are available.

by ctz 13y ago

Hermel 13y ago

If filling up your tank takes 2 minutes (1 minute filling + 1 minute overhead), you can tank 350 miles per minute. The Tesla S gets 265 miles in 1.5 minutes, which is 175 miles per minute. So your car can be refilled twice as fast as the Tesla S when measured in miles. Furthermore, you need to recharge the Tesla more often. At least, Elon is honest about it and says "this is about convincing the people that are skeptics". (And not about making a fair comparison.)

jcromartie 13y ago
Most US drivers are not getting 700 miles from a 12 US gallon tank (58 US MPG). The average fuel economy of US cars is 24.6 MPG. An Audi A6, in the US at least, gets 33 highway MPG and has a 19.8 gallon fuel tank. And yes, of course you charge the Tesla more often. You charge it every night when you come home, and it's ready with a full charge the next morning. That's just a totally different usage pattern from only filling up when it gets low like you do with a gasoline powered car. I'd bet that most Tesla drivers will never have to stop to recharge, mostly because they will use their Tesla around town, and will take long trips in another car or fly, because Tesla owners are wealthy. EDIT: converted imperial gallons to US
- mikeash 13y ago
  Note that imperial gallons are substantially larger than the regular kind. A 10 imperial gallon tank holds 12 US gallons, and so 700 miles from a 10 imperial gallon tank is actually about 58MPG. Still very high, of course.
  - loup-vaillant 13y ago
    Nitpick: regular kind? That's quite… culture centric. The only "regular" capacity unit that I know of comes from a deliberate attempt to normalize every units. Namely, the Litre from the metric system. Smug Frenchman
    - mikeash 13y ago
      It's not my fault that one of the units is just the name of the other unit with a modifier. It's not like "gallon" is shorthand for something longer and more formal.
      - chockablock 13y ago
        Hint: when an Englishman walks into a pub, he doesn't order an 'imperial pint' of beer...
      - btbuilder 13y ago
        imperial gallon & US gallon? Or maybe more interesting but historical "ale gallon" and "wine gallon".
- baddox 13y ago
  > I'd bet that most Tesla drivers will never have to stop to recharge, mostly because they will use their Tesla around town, and will take long trips in another car or fly, because Tesla owners are wealthy. That's probably true, but much of the recent marketing around battery swaps and transcontinental charging networks is aimed specifically at road trips. I suppose one would argue that they're working on this infrastructure now for the future when much more affordable EVs are available.