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I'm yet to hear of an example where giving money away to the unemployed cured socio-economical problems, especially in cultures where there is a social stigma a

by zalew 13y ago

I'm yet to hear of an example where giving money away to the unemployed cured socio-economical problems, especially in cultures where there is a social stigma attached to joblessness and living off benefits. Hiring for low wage jobs doesn't necessarily raise financial status, but gives access to social services and prevents side-effects like detachment from the job market, petty crimes, mental illnesses and addictions. Or to put it more simply: do you prefer an unemployed who's got cash for booze and nothing to do, or would you prefer him to be at work like all his peers and family?

learc83 13y ago
Well there was that recent program that was posted about here where the basic income worked splendidly in a an African village. >specially in cultures where there is a social stigma attached to joblessness and living off benefits That's part of the point of a basic income as opposed to other means tested programs, there is no social stigma attached because everyone gets the basic income. > prevents side-effects like detachment from the job market, petty crimes, mental illnesses and addictions. How does low wage menial labor prevent mental illness or addictions. Sure people who are mentally ill or are addicted to hard drugs are are less likely to hold jobs, but the causality is in the opposite direction. >do you prefer an unemployed who's got cash for booze and nothing to do, or would you prefer him to be at work like all his peers and family? I'd prefer people do meaningful work that benefits the economy, instead of useless menial labor. Gas station attendants are almost completely nonexistent in other states, so clearly they aren't needed or wanted by the market. Here's a proposal that should mesh with that ideology. Enact regulation that says that grass must be cut by hand with scissors. Watch companies spring up overnight to employ tens of thousands of low wage laborers. Economists on all sides from Milton Friedman to Keynesians, to die hard socialists support some kind of basic income over our current welfare system. These are people who are diametrically opposed on almost every other issue yet they agree on this.

by zalew 13y ago

learc83 13y ago

Well there was that recent program that was posted about here where the basic income worked splendidly in a an African village. >specially in cultures where there is a social stigma attached to joblessness and living off benefits That's part of the point of a basic income as opposed to other means tested programs, there is no social stigma attached because everyone gets the basic income. > prevents side-effects like detachment from the job market, petty crimes, mental illnesses and addictions. How does low wage menial labor prevent mental illness or addictions. Sure people who are mentally ill or are addicted to hard drugs are are less likely to hold jobs, but the causality is in the opposite direction. >do you prefer an unemployed who's got cash for booze and nothing to do, or would you prefer him to be at work like all his peers and family? I'd prefer people do meaningful work that benefits the economy, instead of useless menial labor. Gas station attendants are almost completely nonexistent in other states, so clearly they aren't needed or wanted by the market. Here's a proposal that should mesh with that ideology. Enact regulation that says that grass must be cut by hand with scissors. Watch companies spring up overnight to employ tens of thousands of low wage laborers. Economists on all sides from Milton Friedman to Keynesians, to die hard socialists support some kind of basic income over our current welfare system. These are people who are diametrically opposed on almost every other issue yet they agree on this.