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Kind of surprising that Google is lowering the quotas. This seems like bad judgment that could anger a lot of account holders who will move from non-paying to p

Kind of surprising that Google is lowering the quotas. This seems like bad judgment that could anger a lot of account holders who will move from non-paying to paying. It would have been much better to start out with low quotas and gradually raise them. What other freemium services have lowered the value of their free service? I can't think of a single one. Imagine Gmail doing something similar and reducing their storage quota. It's unthinkable.

drawkbox 17y ago
I agree. Taking it initially from 100GB to 10GB now in May to 1GB is extremely limiting. In fact I was building a service on there but moving it based on this. The economics have changed drastically and really don't even compete with a basic shared hosting account. 1GB per day and 6.5 CPU hours for free is nothing much really. There are plenty of other cloud providers now that can compete on price. One huge advantage to GAE was the free quota which was a huge draw. The limiting architecture and broken platforms were ok to deal with at that. But why not just build on EC2, Media Temple gs, Mosso, Joyent or some other now where you can install almost anything you need as well as having the scalability? Very bad move by Google to reverse this drastically on the free quota which is only now just a gimmick.
- DocSavage 17y ago
  "But why not just build on EC2, Media Temple gs, Mosso, Joyent.." It's already been pointed out many times before that EC2 != App Engine unless you plan on building your own heroku, RightScale, or scalable system. The price on those scalable services isn't base EC2 or VPS pricing either. Included with the price of App Engine services is the outsourcing of server instance management, datastore management, etc.
  - drawkbox 17y ago
    Agreed. I realize AppEngine != EC2. Amazon is more a set of components, EC2 being one that you are right you have to setup the systems to scale yourself. In actuality, you will probably need EC2, SimpleDB, S3 etc. I was trying to make the point that it makes Google AppEngine much less of an advantage over other services in the market even ones you mention which provide these managed components (many times without the restrictions of GAE, I am a big fan of GAE and a little irked at the pricing). Media Temple gs has some of what you mention. But I believe a large reason people were even considering using Google is the great startup potential to scale up and get lots for free at the beginning. No startup can run with 1GB per day on a single digg, reddit, slashdotting at all without paying. It gave about 3-6 months of runway before for growth now it isn't really even a month of free for a reasonably known application or content.
oconnor0 17y ago
They just upped their Google Checkout credit card processing rates as well. They used to be 2% + $0.20 which was phenomenal, but they've increased them to a tiered pricing that isn't as competitive for smaller merchants. I wonder if Google is realizing they can't offer such great deals anymore. Are they losing too much money with those platforms?

drawkbox 17y ago

I agree. Taking it initially from 100GB to 10GB now in May to 1GB is extremely limiting. In fact I was building a service on there but moving it based on this. The economics have changed drastically and really don't even compete with a basic shared hosting account. 1GB per day and 6.5 CPU hours for free is nothing much really. There are plenty of other cloud providers now that can compete on price. One huge advantage to GAE was the free quota which was a huge draw. The limiting architecture and broken platforms were ok to deal with at that. But why not just build on EC2, Media Temple gs, Mosso, Joyent or some other now where you can install almost anything you need as well as having the scalability? Very bad move by Google to reverse this drastically on the free quota which is only now just a gimmick.

DocSavage 17y ago
"But why not just build on EC2, Media Temple gs, Mosso, Joyent.." It's already been pointed out many times before that EC2 != App Engine unless you plan on building your own heroku, RightScale, or scalable system. The price on those scalable services isn't base EC2 or VPS pricing either. Included with the price of App Engine services is the outsourcing of server instance management, datastore management, etc.
- drawkbox 17y ago
  Agreed. I realize AppEngine != EC2. Amazon is more a set of components, EC2 being one that you are right you have to setup the systems to scale yourself. In actuality, you will probably need EC2, SimpleDB, S3 etc. I was trying to make the point that it makes Google AppEngine much less of an advantage over other services in the market even ones you mention which provide these managed components (many times without the restrictions of GAE, I am a big fan of GAE and a little irked at the pricing). Media Temple gs has some of what you mention. But I believe a large reason people were even considering using Google is the great startup potential to scale up and get lots for free at the beginning. No startup can run with 1GB per day on a single digg, reddit, slashdotting at all without paying. It gave about 3-6 months of runway before for growth now it isn't really even a month of free for a reasonably known application or content.

oconnor0 17y ago

They just upped their Google Checkout credit card processing rates as well. They used to be 2% + $0.20 which was phenomenal, but they've increased them to a tiered pricing that isn't as competitive for smaller merchants. I wonder if Google is realizing they can't offer such great deals anymore. Are they losing too much money with those platforms?