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What is the best way to learn to program/hack from scratch?

3 points by deltapoint 19y ago

What is the best language? What is the best book? What software is needed?

run4yourlives 19y ago
1. Build an application 2. Go to 1. I'm not being a dick. That's actually the best way to learn. You can read books (and certainly will while doing number 1) but if you don't actually take the time to sit down and build something, you'll never get a good enough feel for how to program. Once you've iterated that loop a couple of times, you'll realize you've done it all wrong. But that's what learning is all about.
dood 19y ago
Step 1. Buy whichever 'Learn Python' book you like the look of. Read book, while hacking up little programs to amuse yourself and solve your problems Step 2. Read some tutorials on the net to expand your knowledge. Investigate open source programs like BeautifulSoup. Use open source stuff to build toy programs with (e.g. RSS reader or screenscraper). Step 3. Implement a project of moderate complexity, while reading more advanced books, and browsing Python blogs to get a broader understanding of how things work. I assume this process would work for Ruby or PHP, but I think Python is the perfect language for learners.
- Shooter 19y ago
  I actually get asked this question quite a bit, and I'd like to be able to offer a more informed answer. Depending on the specific interests of the person that asks, I usually always recommend Python or Scheme and the standard list of starting books. I learned Scheme first, but I think Python is an equally great starting language. In fact, I would be very curious to hear everyone's opinions on Python vs. Scheme as a starting language...preferably without having your standard language flamewar. I know about the MIT switch to the Zelle book and their reasoning. What are some other pros and cons? I still lean towards Scheme a bit, because I think the functional approach to problem-solving can be more powerful...at least it was more eye-opening to me. (But, then, I'm not a person that was especially gifted at mathematics.) Ideas?
  - dood 19y ago
    I've hardly looked at Scheme as I came to programming with an unacademic get-stuff-done attitude. Which probably explains why I find Python so appealing, and why I recommend it to others who want to learn a language to use as a tool: it is immediately useful, fairly user-friendly, teaches good mental habits, has abudant tutorials and soforth, a large helpful community, and lots of active hackers hacking away and sharing their ideas.
  - euccastro 19y ago
    It's a good question, and one that comes to mind every now and then. I guess it depends on the attitude of the learner- to be more precise, on their ambition, curiosity, and patience. If someone just wants to see results ASAP, if they see programming as some annoyance to get out of the way in order to get stuff done, give them Python (as a bonus, it may change their minds and get them in love with programming). For those with more curiosity, who want to get a deep understanding of things in general, or for those with a deeper interest in programming in particular, I would try Scheme first. This is not to say that Python and Scheme are opposite extremes in terms of practicality and ability to enlighten. Both languages are pretty good at both IMO. You can't go very wrong with either.
german 19y ago
Hmm, thats a very difficult question to answer... I think it depends on what are you trying to create. If it is a webapp I recommend learning JavaScript, for that you will have to learn HTML and CSS before you start writing JavaScript code. What you really have to do is to pick a simple programming language and start coding with it. For me, the way to learn programming is by creating code, first pick your programming language, then start reading about it, be sure to start with a simple book or tutorial, don't look for advanced books. What I'm saying is: Read a lot, code a lot, and have fun! Good Luck.
ptn 19y ago
1. Write code 2. Read code You should go with Python, the syntax is really easy and the code it produces is sexy. To get you started right away, figure out what and how this does: for i in range(5):
ptn 19y ago
1. Write code 2. Read code You should go with Python, the syntax is really easy and the code it produces is sexy. To get you started right away, figure out what and how this does: for i in range(5): print i
- euccastro 19y ago
  You're doing both deltapoint and Python a bit of a disservice by choosing this example as a starting point. I imagine if I had never seen python I would expect something like 12345 It's quite arbitrary that what you see is different, and while there is some rationale to it, it's not very enlightening. Definitely not the kind of thing I'd have a newcomer focus on.

3 points by deltapoint 19y ago

What is the best language? What is the best book? What software is needed?

1. Build an application 2. Go to 1. I'm not being a dick. That's actually the best way to learn. You can read books (and certainly will while doing number 1) but if you don't actually take the time to sit down and build something, you'll never get a good enough feel for how to program. Once you've iterated that loop a couple of times, you'll realize you've done it all wrong. But that's what learning is all about.

dood 19y ago

Step 1. Buy whichever 'Learn Python' book you like the look of. Read book, while hacking up little programs to amuse yourself and solve your problems Step 2. Read some tutorials on the net to expand your knowledge. Investigate open source programs like BeautifulSoup. Use open source stuff to build toy programs with (e.g. RSS reader or screenscraper). Step 3. Implement a project of moderate complexity, while reading more advanced books, and browsing Python blogs to get a broader understanding of how things work. I assume this process would work for Ruby or PHP, but I think Python is the perfect language for learners.

Shooter 19y ago
I actually get asked this question quite a bit, and I'd like to be able to offer a more informed answer. Depending on the specific interests of the person that asks, I usually always recommend Python or Scheme and the standard list of starting books. I learned Scheme first, but I think Python is an equally great starting language. In fact, I would be very curious to hear everyone's opinions on Python vs. Scheme as a starting language...preferably without having your standard language flamewar. I know about the MIT switch to the Zelle book and their reasoning. What are some other pros and cons? I still lean towards Scheme a bit, because I think the functional approach to problem-solving can be more powerful...at least it was more eye-opening to me. (But, then, I'm not a person that was especially gifted at mathematics.) Ideas?
- dood 19y ago
  I've hardly looked at Scheme as I came to programming with an unacademic get-stuff-done attitude. Which probably explains why I find Python so appealing, and why I recommend it to others who want to learn a language to use as a tool: it is immediately useful, fairly user-friendly, teaches good mental habits, has abudant tutorials and soforth, a large helpful community, and lots of active hackers hacking away and sharing their ideas.
- euccastro 19y ago
  It's a good question, and one that comes to mind every now and then. I guess it depends on the attitude of the learner- to be more precise, on their ambition, curiosity, and patience. If someone just wants to see results ASAP, if they see programming as some annoyance to get out of the way in order to get stuff done, give them Python (as a bonus, it may change their minds and get them in love with programming). For those with more curiosity, who want to get a deep understanding of things in general, or for those with a deeper interest in programming in particular, I would try Scheme first. This is not to say that Python and Scheme are opposite extremes in terms of practicality and ability to enlighten. Both languages are pretty good at both IMO. You can't go very wrong with either.

german 19y ago

Hmm, thats a very difficult question to answer... I think it depends on what are you trying to create. If it is a webapp I recommend learning JavaScript, for that you will have to learn HTML and CSS before you start writing JavaScript code. What you really have to do is to pick a simple programming language and start coding with it. For me, the way to learn programming is by creating code, first pick your programming language, then start reading about it, be sure to start with a simple book or tutorial, don't look for advanced books. What I'm saying is: Read a lot, code a lot, and have fun! Good Luck.

ptn 19y ago

1. Write code 2. Read code You should go with Python, the syntax is really easy and the code it produces is sexy. To get you started right away, figure out what and how this does: for i in range(5):

ptn 19y ago

1. Write code 2. Read code You should go with Python, the syntax is really easy and the code it produces is sexy. To get you started right away, figure out what and how this does: for i in range(5): print i

euccastro 19y ago
You're doing both deltapoint and Python a bit of a disservice by choosing this example as a starting point. I imagine if I had never seen python I would expect something like 12345 It's quite arbitrary that what you see is different, and while there is some rationale to it, it's not very enlightening. Definitely not the kind of thing I'd have a newcomer focus on.