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> This is true for this specific program and only under the current policies. Let's just stop kidding ourselves and assume that the NSA stores our communication

> This is true for this specific program and only under the current policies. Let's just stop kidding ourselves and assume that the NSA stores our communications indefinitely, and design our software accordingly. Really? And you believe this... because why? Because that is what they said? I seriously believe that if I was to tell you that Obama had a massive program to collect and record the phone activities of every American at any time for any reason two months ago you would of called 'bullshit' so fast that it would of made my head spin. I see zero reason to believe anything these guys tell us about anything. The only way to understand what they are really doing is to get information that they say is illegal for you to know.

genwin 13y ago
Unlikely a news junkie would've called b.s. on that. There have been numerous stories in support of domestic phone call recording over the years, like: http://arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2005/12/5791-2/ http://arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2005/12/5791-2/
jlgreco 13y ago
I think you parsed his call to action incorrectly. You appear to be in strong agreement.
betterunix 13y ago
"I seriously believe that if I was to tell you that Obama had a massive program to collect and record the phone activities of every American at any time for any reason two months ago you would of called 'bullshit' so fast that it would of made my head spin." What makes you think that the latest news has changed my assumptions about the NSA? There has been evidence of widespread surveillance by the NSA for decades: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON These sort of programs span multiple administrations. There was never any reason to believe that the Obama administration would end them.
- dllthomas 13y ago
  Statements by candidate Obama that he'd put an end to warrantless wiretapping was some reason, if not (apparently) sufficient reason. Of course, he did put an end to warrantless wiretapping: collection of metadata is no longer considered wiretapping. Yay!

genwin 13y ago

Unlikely a news junkie would've called b.s. on that. There have been numerous stories in support of domestic phone call recording over the years, like: http://arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2005/12/5791-2/ http://arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2005/12/5791-2/

jlgreco 13y ago

I think you parsed his call to action incorrectly. You appear to be in strong agreement.

betterunix 13y ago

"I seriously believe that if I was to tell you that Obama had a massive program to collect and record the phone activities of every American at any time for any reason two months ago you would of called 'bullshit' so fast that it would of made my head spin." What makes you think that the latest news has changed my assumptions about the NSA? There has been evidence of widespread surveillance by the NSA for decades: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON These sort of programs span multiple administrations. There was never any reason to believe that the Obama administration would end them.

dllthomas 13y ago
Statements by candidate Obama that he'd put an end to warrantless wiretapping was some reason, if not (apparently) sufficient reason. Of course, he did put an end to warrantless wiretapping: collection of metadata is no longer considered wiretapping. Yay!