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I agree. Photoshop is something I use a lot on a hobby basis, but as a student I can't justify buying it because of the high price, which leaves me with no othe

I agree. Photoshop is something I use a lot on a hobby basis, but as a student I can't justify buying it because of the high price, which leaves me with no other option...

bigd 13y ago
as a student you can get it for 20$ month. That's not even one night out.
- fennecfoxen 13y ago
  Fun fact: One way to tell the difference between the people who partied their way through college on someone else's dime and the people who were serious students responsible for their own future is that the former will dismiss $20/mo as "not even one night out" and the latter will think of it in terms of the additional scrimping on basic supplies and the like (or sharing textbooks, or...) ahem okay, sorry, I just get a little resentful at seeing the resources for serious academic endeavor being measured in leisure units. Seriously though, even if everyone else doesn't party their way through school, $240/yr is a fair little chunk of change to a lot of students, and is certainly well within the price range where piracy makes a lot of financial sense.
  - bigd 13y ago
    Sorry to disagree, but even $240/yr is nothing compared to the annual fee of graduate studies. I think this expense fits in the "studying material", therefore is 100% justified. tldr: master 10k$/yr + 240$/yr ~= 10k$/yr. also: Don't go to starbucks everyday and learn to brew your coffee . Gonna save MUCH more. (2coffee/day*2$) - 200$( coffe machine & 1 year of coffee) - 240AdobeCreativeCloud >0
    - fennecfoxen 13y ago
      "also: Don't go to starbucks everyday and learn to brew your coffee" -- HA! As if I could afford Starbucks as a student. I'll give you money-saving: live at home, commute to school on bicycle, pack a bag lunch :P
frou_dh 13y ago
> which leaves me with no other option... Delusional excuse. You have options to do without or use an alternative.
- thejosh 13y ago
  Right.. so when a student enters the job market, expected to know how to use the software AND when they are suppose to use it in their courses at the top of the list should be "GIMP"?
  - frou_dh 13y ago
    Non-sequitur, and the wrong website to argue for such subservience to employers.
    - pc86 13y ago
      Since when is being required to know a piece of software "subservience to employers?" Come on.
      - frou_dh 13y ago
        When you're apparently so dependant on unspecific future favour that you're "forced" in to piracy without it being explicitly directed.
        pc86 13y ago
        You must be a fun coworker.
        frou_dh 13y ago
        I've never been pressured in to pirating something for work so it's never come up.
        13y ago
ohreally 13y ago
I just want to point out that adobe's price point is significantly more competitive with their creative cloud offering. $20/Month for students. I get that a lot of people still won't be able to afford that, but it seems they really listened to feedback on their pricing. Considering upgrades and updates are built into that price, I'd say its a really good deal. http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/buying-guide.html http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/buying-guide.htm...
kibibu 13y ago
You have options. On Mac, use Pixelmator. Elsewhere, learn GIMP. I cut the Adobe cord a long time ago and don't even miss it anymore.
- nasalgoat 13y ago
  Learning to use GIMP won't help you when you need to get a design job.
  - fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
    People act like there is some big difference between PS and GIMP. Sure, outclasses the other in quality and features, but the fundamentals of good design are the same. You're talking about differences in workflow. A person with good design skills can adapt their workflow to either software. There is no quantitative difference in the final output of either GIMP or PS. Your portfolio should speak for itself.
    - lignuist 13y ago
      People in design agencies have simply no chance to work with GIMP. If they cannot open files from recent versions of PS, they cannot do their job. I have seen this a lot. People send you files, which you can only open (properly) with a recent version of PS. They just expect that you can work with them. Same with MS Office. Same with Illustrator. Same with expensive 3D software. I am sure, some designers would love to work with OS, but their social environment makes it too hard for them.
      - fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
        People in design agencies have PS, and can open anything a client sends. Once they have their source material they can work in any environment they like. Adobe makes it convenient to always "color within their lines". One thing that strikes me as ironic, is the notion that you can tell a creative person how to perform some arbitrary creative task. People send all kinds of garbage to design firms (my wife is a creative type at such a firm), including Adobe files but also including every other kind of junk you can imagine. >Same with MS Office. Yes, terrible people, we all have worked with them, but we don't want to emulate them. >Same with expensive 3D software. Good technique is good technique, skills are skills, a competent person can adapt their workflow to a new method or vehicle. A competent artist can express themselves in more than one medium. It comes down to this, if you are constrained to a single tool made by a single vendor, you are strictly a technician (in the narrowest sense).
fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
> which leaves me with no other option... That's not correct. There are options. The alternatives aren't always as capable, or may require more work on your part, or may just not be as convenient, but there are options that would allow you to do most or all of the things that can be done without pirating the Adobe stuff. Recognition of Adobe's tactic, and the fact that the graphic arts industries have practically made Adobe products a de facto standard certainly increases the incentive for many to simply pirate the stuff. Adobe is counting on that.
hippich 13y ago
this is exactly what adobe trying to do with their easily crackable software :) they want you to think there are no other option available.
jiggy2011 13y ago
http://www.adobe.com/uk/products/creativecloud/students.edu.html http://www.adobe.com/uk/products/creativecloud/students.edu....

I agree. Photoshop is something I use a lot on a hobby basis, but as a student I can't justify buying it because of the high price, which leaves me with no other option...

bigd 13y ago

as a student you can get it for 20$ month. That's not even one night out.

fennecfoxen 13y ago
Fun fact: One way to tell the difference between the people who partied their way through college on someone else's dime and the people who were serious students responsible for their own future is that the former will dismiss $20/mo as "not even one night out" and the latter will think of it in terms of the additional scrimping on basic supplies and the like (or sharing textbooks, or...) ahem okay, sorry, I just get a little resentful at seeing the resources for serious academic endeavor being measured in leisure units. Seriously though, even if everyone else doesn't party their way through school, $240/yr is a fair little chunk of change to a lot of students, and is certainly well within the price range where piracy makes a lot of financial sense.
- bigd 13y ago
  Sorry to disagree, but even $240/yr is nothing compared to the annual fee of graduate studies. I think this expense fits in the "studying material", therefore is 100% justified. tldr: master 10k$/yr + 240$/yr ~= 10k$/yr. also: Don't go to starbucks everyday and learn to brew your coffee . Gonna save MUCH more. (2coffee/day*2$) - 200$( coffe machine & 1 year of coffee) - 240AdobeCreativeCloud >0
  - fennecfoxen 13y ago
    "also: Don't go to starbucks everyday and learn to brew your coffee" -- HA! As if I could afford Starbucks as a student. I'll give you money-saving: live at home, commute to school on bicycle, pack a bag lunch :P

frou_dh 13y ago

> which leaves me with no other option... Delusional excuse. You have options to do without or use an alternative.

thejosh 13y ago
Right.. so when a student enters the job market, expected to know how to use the software AND when they are suppose to use it in their courses at the top of the list should be "GIMP"?
- frou_dh 13y ago
  Non-sequitur, and the wrong website to argue for such subservience to employers.
  - pc86 13y ago
    Since when is being required to know a piece of software "subservience to employers?" Come on.
    - frou_dh 13y ago
      When you're apparently so dependant on unspecific future favour that you're "forced" in to piracy without it being explicitly directed.
      - pc86 13y ago
        You must be a fun coworker.
        frou_dh 13y ago
        I've never been pressured in to pirating something for work so it's never come up.
        13y ago

ohreally 13y ago

I just want to point out that adobe's price point is significantly more competitive with their creative cloud offering. $20/Month for students. I get that a lot of people still won't be able to afford that, but it seems they really listened to feedback on their pricing. Considering upgrades and updates are built into that price, I'd say its a really good deal. http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/buying-guide.html http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/buying-guide.htm...

kibibu 13y ago

You have options. On Mac, use Pixelmator. Elsewhere, learn GIMP. I cut the Adobe cord a long time ago and don't even miss it anymore.

nasalgoat 13y ago
Learning to use GIMP won't help you when you need to get a design job.
- fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
  People act like there is some big difference between PS and GIMP. Sure, outclasses the other in quality and features, but the fundamentals of good design are the same. You're talking about differences in workflow. A person with good design skills can adapt their workflow to either software. There is no quantitative difference in the final output of either GIMP or PS. Your portfolio should speak for itself.
  - lignuist 13y ago
    People in design agencies have simply no chance to work with GIMP. If they cannot open files from recent versions of PS, they cannot do their job. I have seen this a lot. People send you files, which you can only open (properly) with a recent version of PS. They just expect that you can work with them. Same with MS Office. Same with Illustrator. Same with expensive 3D software. I am sure, some designers would love to work with OS, but their social environment makes it too hard for them.
    - fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
      People in design agencies have PS, and can open anything a client sends. Once they have their source material they can work in any environment they like. Adobe makes it convenient to always "color within their lines". One thing that strikes me as ironic, is the notion that you can tell a creative person how to perform some arbitrary creative task. People send all kinds of garbage to design firms (my wife is a creative type at such a firm), including Adobe files but also including every other kind of junk you can imagine. >Same with MS Office. Yes, terrible people, we all have worked with them, but we don't want to emulate them. >Same with expensive 3D software. Good technique is good technique, skills are skills, a competent person can adapt their workflow to a new method or vehicle. A competent artist can express themselves in more than one medium. It comes down to this, if you are constrained to a single tool made by a single vendor, you are strictly a technician (in the narrowest sense).

fnordfnordfnord 13y ago

> which leaves me with no other option... That's not correct. There are options. The alternatives aren't always as capable, or may require more work on your part, or may just not be as convenient, but there are options that would allow you to do most or all of the things that can be done without pirating the Adobe stuff. Recognition of Adobe's tactic, and the fact that the graphic arts industries have practically made Adobe products a de facto standard certainly increases the incentive for many to simply pirate the stuff. Adobe is counting on that.

hippich 13y ago

this is exactly what adobe trying to do with their easily crackable software :) they want you to think there are no other option available.

jiggy2011 13y ago

http://www.adobe.com/uk/products/creativecloud/students.edu.html http://www.adobe.com/uk/products/creativecloud/students.edu....