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The site features another falsehood: "There is no evidence that anyone died as a result of the leaked information" Not true. The cables contained the actual na

The site features another falsehood: "There is no evidence that anyone died as a result of the leaked information" Not true. The cables contained the actual names of Afghans who helped us fight the Taliban. Once their names were exposed, unredacted, via the Wikileaks calbes, "punishment" and death -- courtesy of the ascendant Taliban leaders -- came quickly. http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2010/07/28/murphy-rides-again/ http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2010/07/28/murphy-rides-... Wretchard continues his story: "Yet the dead are the lucky ones. The more unfortunate may wind up in a torture chamber similar to one found by Coldstream Guards. It features such amenities as chains to hang prisoners from walls. Not that the inmates would want to walk on the floor: that features broken glass. And there is limb amputation, kneecapping with an electric drill, eye gouging, bone-breaking or ritual rape to smash the will. Where the offender is not himself available punishment will be visited on his relatives." No, the antics of Manning and Assange were not without bad consequences.

gruseom 13y ago
This is a troll. I like to look at contrarian evidence, so I read the article. It contains zero evidence and is just a creepy piece of fantasy writing. Perhaps evidence does exist, but odds are we'd have heard about it by now, given how hard it's been sought (presumably by people who don't lack for media access).
- expoze_truth 13y ago
  "Perhaps evidence does exist, but odds are we'd have heard about it by now" But that depends on how you -- and others -- filter your news sources. Many on one side of the political spectrum have no clue how far the IRS over-reached when investigating political enemies ... and they won't know, because they trust their sources of news and unfortunately don't look for contrarian viewpoints like you do. (btw: I'm not blaming you of the above; you've proven you seek diverse sources of information)
alwaysinshade 13y ago
Your post misses a key point: "WikiLeaks published a lengthy statement on its website Thursday morning, accusing the Guardian of "negligently [disclosing] top secret WikiLeaks’ decryption passwords to hundreds of thousands of unredacted unpublished US diplomatic cables." According to WikiLeaks, the disclosure of the password began months ago when Rusbridger's brother-in-law David Leigh, also the Guardian's investigations editor, learned the password and subsequently published the passwords in his book about WikiLeaks." http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/09/wikileaks-unredacted-cable-release-is-guardians-fault/ http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/09/wikileaks-unredac... http://www.wikileaks.org/Guardian-journalist-negligently.html http://www.wikileaks.org/Guardian-journalist-negligently.htm...
- res0nat0r 13y ago
  The Guardian wouldn't have had any documents to bungle the release of if Manning hadn't released them in the first place.
  - alwaysinshade 13y ago
    Not untrue, but analogous to saying someone wouldn't have died from a gunshot if the ammunition hadn't been sold. It misses the bit where someone pulled the trigger.
  - knz42 13y ago
    Strawman argument. By the same argument "Manning would not hav had anything to release if the DOD had implemented compartimentalization of access to state documents." (which most modern armies were already doing before, and which the DOD now has)
    - res0nat0r 13y ago
      Understandable, but the parent is trying to shift the blame of anyone dying to The Guardian and I would argue that blame lies on Manning by releasing hundreds of thousands of documents wholesale vs. a whistleblower like Ellsberg in where he only published data directly related to a specific crime.
mercurial 13y ago
> "Yet the dead are the lucky ones. The more unfortunate may wind up in a torture chamber similar to one found by Coldstream Guards. It features such amenities as chains to hang prisoners from walls. Not that the inmates would want to walk on the floor: that features broken glass. And there is limb amputation, kneecapping with an electric drill, eye gouging, bone-breaking or ritual rape to smash the will. Where the offender is not himself available punishment will be visited on his relatives." I hope this is not an attempt as moral outrage. When you and your allies rely on torture (not to mention the good old "chai boys" tradition of the Afghan police...), you lose the moral high ground.
frozenport 13y ago
I want to agree with you but you account is extremely fishy. Your name is a joke and this is your only post. Are you a US government agent?

gruseom 13y ago

This is a troll. I like to look at contrarian evidence, so I read the article. It contains zero evidence and is just a creepy piece of fantasy writing. Perhaps evidence does exist, but odds are we'd have heard about it by now, given how hard it's been sought (presumably by people who don't lack for media access).

expoze_truth 13y ago
"Perhaps evidence does exist, but odds are we'd have heard about it by now" But that depends on how you -- and others -- filter your news sources. Many on one side of the political spectrum have no clue how far the IRS over-reached when investigating political enemies ... and they won't know, because they trust their sources of news and unfortunately don't look for contrarian viewpoints like you do. (btw: I'm not blaming you of the above; you've proven you seek diverse sources of information)

alwaysinshade 13y ago

Your post misses a key point: "WikiLeaks published a lengthy statement on its website Thursday morning, accusing the Guardian of "negligently [disclosing] top secret WikiLeaks’ decryption passwords to hundreds of thousands of unredacted unpublished US diplomatic cables." According to WikiLeaks, the disclosure of the password began months ago when Rusbridger's brother-in-law David Leigh, also the Guardian's investigations editor, learned the password and subsequently published the passwords in his book about WikiLeaks." http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/09/wikileaks-unredacted-cable-release-is-guardians-fault/ http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/09/wikileaks-unredac... http://www.wikileaks.org/Guardian-journalist-negligently.html http://www.wikileaks.org/Guardian-journalist-negligently.htm...

res0nat0r 13y ago
The Guardian wouldn't have had any documents to bungle the release of if Manning hadn't released them in the first place.
- alwaysinshade 13y ago
  Not untrue, but analogous to saying someone wouldn't have died from a gunshot if the ammunition hadn't been sold. It misses the bit where someone pulled the trigger.
- knz42 13y ago
  Strawman argument. By the same argument "Manning would not hav had anything to release if the DOD had implemented compartimentalization of access to state documents." (which most modern armies were already doing before, and which the DOD now has)
  - res0nat0r 13y ago
    Understandable, but the parent is trying to shift the blame of anyone dying to The Guardian and I would argue that blame lies on Manning by releasing hundreds of thousands of documents wholesale vs. a whistleblower like Ellsberg in where he only published data directly related to a specific crime.

mercurial 13y ago

> "Yet the dead are the lucky ones. The more unfortunate may wind up in a torture chamber similar to one found by Coldstream Guards. It features such amenities as chains to hang prisoners from walls. Not that the inmates would want to walk on the floor: that features broken glass. And there is limb amputation, kneecapping with an electric drill, eye gouging, bone-breaking or ritual rape to smash the will. Where the offender is not himself available punishment will be visited on his relatives." I hope this is not an attempt as moral outrage. When you and your allies rely on torture (not to mention the good old "chai boys" tradition of the Afghan police...), you lose the moral high ground.

frozenport 13y ago

I want to agree with you but you account is extremely fishy. Your name is a joke and this is your only post. Are you a US government agent?