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Don't worry. Valve will come out with a nice car (SteamBox) and will craft their message more carefully to make sure all of the horse lovers don't get spooked

Don't worry. Valve will come out with a nice car (SteamBox) and will craft their message more carefully to make sure all of the horse lovers don't get spooked before they fall in love with the ride.

jff 13y ago
The success of the Valvemobile will be in no way affected by the hood ornament, I suppose. To un-knot the twisted metaphor, I'm saying Valve already got past the wailing 10 years ago. Their Steam model already enjoys widespread success and approval, while Microsoft is, well, Microsoft.
kevingadd 13y ago
Valve doesn't have to do anything about messaging because Steam already works like the XBox One was going to.
- infrec 13y ago
  Not entirely. For one Steam has offline mode which is certainly better than what MS was proposing.
  - DrStalker 13y ago
    To be fair, Steam became popular back when offline mode was really buggy and problematical; it's a lot better today, but back then is was not uncommon for it to just forget what it was doing until you could reconnect.
    - deleted 13y ago
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- thejosh 13y ago
  Apart from the massive sales, offline mode without calling home every 24 hours, the ability to download all your games then go offline without connecting. But they don't let you swap/sell games to other accounts, however there are massive sales multiple times a year where games are actually is cheap (even in terms of Australian pricing, which is crazy) enough for you to buy.
- skeletonjelly 13y ago
  Really? Did you read the article? Can you sell the games you own on Steam? Lend them to your friends?
  - marshray 13y ago
    The point is that many of us who were relatively happy users of Steam were annoyed at the changes in the Xbone. However, Steam took a decade before I let it on my computer. I literally didn't realize I'd be buying into it when I bought a retail copy of Bioshock Ultimate. Whereas Microsoft went to the biggest built-up launch event in all of gaming and told all the gamers waiting on the edge of their seat and gave the impression that they cared more about the set-top box market instead and the Xbone was going to lock you out of even disc games that you buy unless you give it a 24/7 phone-home kill switch. Oh and if the cloud thought that your IP address looked like it came from the wrong region you were DoA too. To be out-consumer-friendlied by Sony of all companies, ouch that stings. Disclosure: MS employee, not in Xbox, my own opinion only
  - Kuiper 13y ago
    Lending games to friends seems to be a feature that Steam is at least experimenting with, based on the latest Steam beta update: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=595606 http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=595606 Could be related to a ruling by the European Court of Justice last year, by which "An author of software cannot oppose the resale of his ‘used’ licences" http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2012-07/cp120094en.pdf http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2012... This could also lead to permanent license transfers being possible (possibly enabled via Steam's existng community marketplace, where Steam takes a cut of the sale of virtual goods--and perhaps more advantageous for Steam, sellers on Steam's community market don't get cash; they get credit that can only be used on Steam).
iknowno_one 13y ago
I feel like everyone in this thread, including the author of the blog, is retarded except for you. People calling the XBox 1 a car, not realizing that consoles are the horse and Steam/online digital gaming is the car, since you can buy a functional new gaming computer (laptop!) that can play any modern game for $400 or less, a $499 price point on the XBox makes no sense at all.
- lotso 13y ago
  People don't want the hassle of owning a gaming PC vs a laptop for many reasons. It's much easier to just buy a console that will last for 8 years rather than worry about your computer getting out of date in 3 years. It's easier for groups of friends to play on a console because there is local multiplayer support on console games. Many gamers want to game on their couch and use their game console for other media (video streaming and music). People will buy what their friends have (hint: it's consoles)
  - Crake 13y ago
    I play video games on my tv on my couch with a wireless xbox controller and use my game console for other media. My "game console" being my pc. Is it really that hard to run an hdmi cable in 2013?

Don't worry. Valve will come out with a nice car (SteamBox) and will craft their message more carefully to make sure all of the horse lovers don't get spooked before they fall in love with the ride.

jff 13y ago

The success of the Valvemobile will be in no way affected by the hood ornament, I suppose. To un-knot the twisted metaphor, I'm saying Valve already got past the wailing 10 years ago. Their Steam model already enjoys widespread success and approval, while Microsoft is, well, Microsoft.

kevingadd 13y ago

Valve doesn't have to do anything about messaging because Steam already works like the XBox One was going to.

infrec 13y ago
Not entirely. For one Steam has offline mode which is certainly better than what MS was proposing.
- DrStalker 13y ago
  To be fair, Steam became popular back when offline mode was really buggy and problematical; it's a lot better today, but back then is was not uncommon for it to just forget what it was doing until you could reconnect.
  - deleted 13y ago
    [deleted]
thejosh 13y ago
Apart from the massive sales, offline mode without calling home every 24 hours, the ability to download all your games then go offline without connecting. But they don't let you swap/sell games to other accounts, however there are massive sales multiple times a year where games are actually is cheap (even in terms of Australian pricing, which is crazy) enough for you to buy.
skeletonjelly 13y ago
Really? Did you read the article? Can you sell the games you own on Steam? Lend them to your friends?
- marshray 13y ago
  The point is that many of us who were relatively happy users of Steam were annoyed at the changes in the Xbone. However, Steam took a decade before I let it on my computer. I literally didn't realize I'd be buying into it when I bought a retail copy of Bioshock Ultimate. Whereas Microsoft went to the biggest built-up launch event in all of gaming and told all the gamers waiting on the edge of their seat and gave the impression that they cared more about the set-top box market instead and the Xbone was going to lock you out of even disc games that you buy unless you give it a 24/7 phone-home kill switch. Oh and if the cloud thought that your IP address looked like it came from the wrong region you were DoA too. To be out-consumer-friendlied by Sony of all companies, ouch that stings. Disclosure: MS employee, not in Xbox, my own opinion only
- Kuiper 13y ago
  Lending games to friends seems to be a feature that Steam is at least experimenting with, based on the latest Steam beta update: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=595606 http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=595606 Could be related to a ruling by the European Court of Justice last year, by which "An author of software cannot oppose the resale of his ‘used’ licences" http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2012-07/cp120094en.pdf http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2012... This could also lead to permanent license transfers being possible (possibly enabled via Steam's existng community marketplace, where Steam takes a cut of the sale of virtual goods--and perhaps more advantageous for Steam, sellers on Steam's community market don't get cash; they get credit that can only be used on Steam).

iknowno_one 13y ago

I feel like everyone in this thread, including the author of the blog, is retarded except for you. People calling the XBox 1 a car, not realizing that consoles are the horse and Steam/online digital gaming is the car, since you can buy a functional new gaming computer (laptop!) that can play any modern game for $400 or less, a $499 price point on the XBox makes no sense at all.

lotso 13y ago
People don't want the hassle of owning a gaming PC vs a laptop for many reasons. It's much easier to just buy a console that will last for 8 years rather than worry about your computer getting out of date in 3 years. It's easier for groups of friends to play on a console because there is local multiplayer support on console games. Many gamers want to game on their couch and use their game console for other media (video streaming and music). People will buy what their friends have (hint: it's consoles)
- Crake 13y ago
  I play video games on my tv on my couch with a wireless xbox controller and use my game console for other media. My "game console" being my pc. Is it really that hard to run an hdmi cable in 2013?