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I've said this before, but each payment provider out there has benefits the others don't, which is a little annoying. For example, Balanced is inferior in almos

I've said this before, but each payment provider out there has benefits the others don't, which is a little annoying. For example, Balanced is inferior in almost all regards to Stripe except in one major area: Payment speed. Stripe offers 7-day rolling payouts (shorter for larger merchants), but Balanced offers next day payments and same day for Wells Fargo customers! Square offers same-day payouts and the best in-person dongle experience. But - and I have NO idea why this is - they offer no web API. Ridiculous. Stripe has the best third-party plugin support and best documentation. For now, I use Stripe, and they've worked with me to speed up payments. But you can't beat same-day payments that Balanced offers (I do use WF) and if Balanced ever starts funding and encouraging developers to work on plugins for major shopping carts, I will switch immediately.

pc 13y ago
> For example, Balanced is inferior in almost all regards to Stripe except in one major area: Payment speed. We'll fix this.
- brackishlake 13y ago
  This is something we experienced on The Wedding Favor. It was a trade-off we were aware of. On the other hand, it did trouble me that we were able to transfer money same-day to Chase bankholders with Balanced. It sounds great, but somewhere along the line that means that Balanced was "floating" our credit card charge and fronting the money to pay out to the end-recipient. While I appreciate this, and we benefit from very low chargeback rates (our users are friends and family), this seemed like a "too good to be true" risk. In Stripe's case, you can make the business choice in your logic to pay out quicker to your end user, so long as you understand the risks (which you assume) and keep a comfortable account balance to cover it. Payouts to you, the Stripe account holder, is another matter!
- 2pasc 13y ago
  That's great as this is one of the main reason we are using Balanced today for our soon to-be-launched marketplace.
  - Kickmr 13y ago
    We use it for the reddit marketplace and have loved it (balanced).
- icelancer 13y ago
  pc, nothing would make me happier. I cannot stress strongly enough how good your service is. That is literally the only thing I care about with regards to sustainment/upgrading of your service. (Not to say I haven't enjoyed the other things you've done, of course.)
- Kickmr 13y ago
  We use balanced for reddit and I'm wondering if stripe works similarly such that from one incoming payment you can pay multiple bank accounts?
  - pc 13y ago
    Yup. See https://stripe.com/blog/send-payouts-with-stripe https://stripe.com/blog/send-payouts-with-stripe for more details.
    - Kickmr 13y ago
      Thanks. Not sure I see any reason to switch but its interesting.
  - deleted 13y ago
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- dencold 13y ago
  pc, any word on if you'll be supporting ACH debits through stripe api anytime soon? (aka charging customers via bank accounts).
sjtgraham 13y ago
How is Balanced inferior, exactly? I would call neither party inferior, but as far as I can see Balanced has the better product. Two things Balanced has that Stripe does not: ACH debit and credit, and programmatic merchant underwriting. Massive features IMO.
- icelancer 13y ago
  Third party plugins is not even close. Shopping carts overwhelmingly support Stripe and not Balanced. EDIT: Not sure who downvoted you; it was a fair question. I countered it with an upvote.
  - sjtgraham 13y ago
    Thanks. Shopping cart integration is first mover advantage. Stripe was the first to market with a product that dissolved two huge problems with accepting payments online: merchant underwriting and PCI-DSS compliance. Because of this it's unsurprising that i.) shopping carts rushed to integrate with them, and ii.) there is as much community good will toward Stripe as there is. You could reach out to Balanced about API wrappers libs, I'm sure they would love someone to write language idiomatic libraries for them. It might be a nice contract gig.
    - icelancer 13y ago
      >You could reach out to Balanced about API wrappers libs, I'm sure they would love someone to write language idiomatic libraries for them. It might be a nice contract gig. I have, they suggested I open a ticket, and I did many months ago. No movement since. I am not good enough to write a wrapper and frankly time/money preference dictates I spend it elsewhere, in any case.
      - voltagex_ 13y ago
        I'd probably send them another note. They've been pretty good working with GitTip.
- 13y ago
icelancer 13y ago
brackishlake, your comment is dead and you are probably hellbanned (no one can see your posts outside of a few who turn them on). You have some really good comments here, so maybe re-register and post them again. You were likely banned for submitting/spamming your chriswinn.com posts.
dclausen 13y ago
I've implemented Stripe, Stripe Connect and Balanced, and I consider them to be comparable in offerings if you are a traditional non-marketplace merchant. To say Balanced is inferior save for their Payout speed is not true. Their differences become more clear when you are operating as a marketplace. It’s been stated before, and I’ll reiterate, Balanced’s merchant account underwriting for marketplaces is performed via their API. This means the marketplace retains complete visibility into the account signup process. With Stripe Connect, you are redirected to their website, which means your potential user may or may not ever make it back to your system for whatever reason. During merchant underwriting, Stripe Connect requires each merchant to create an account on their system with their own username and password. This means they are free to access their account on Stripe outside of your system. While good for the merchant, it might not be so for the marketplace trying to ensure all transactions continue to run smoothly. Also, because each merchant account in Stripe Connect is separate, the marketplace does not gain any economies of scale when it comes to pooling together all credit card transactions for volume pricing purposes. Balanced has a single escrow account that all funds are held in and does offer volume pricing based upon that. In my opinion, Stripe’s focus originally seemed to be on the individual merchant and have recently made changes to make them more attractive to marketplaces. However, Balanced’s approach has been to offer a more complete solution for a marketplace, while still allowing for all the same features to be used as a single merchant.

pc 13y ago

> For example, Balanced is inferior in almost all regards to Stripe except in one major area: Payment speed. We'll fix this.

brackishlake 13y ago
This is something we experienced on The Wedding Favor. It was a trade-off we were aware of. On the other hand, it did trouble me that we were able to transfer money same-day to Chase bankholders with Balanced. It sounds great, but somewhere along the line that means that Balanced was "floating" our credit card charge and fronting the money to pay out to the end-recipient. While I appreciate this, and we benefit from very low chargeback rates (our users are friends and family), this seemed like a "too good to be true" risk. In Stripe's case, you can make the business choice in your logic to pay out quicker to your end user, so long as you understand the risks (which you assume) and keep a comfortable account balance to cover it. Payouts to you, the Stripe account holder, is another matter!
2pasc 13y ago
That's great as this is one of the main reason we are using Balanced today for our soon to-be-launched marketplace.
- Kickmr 13y ago
  We use it for the reddit marketplace and have loved it (balanced).
icelancer 13y ago
pc, nothing would make me happier. I cannot stress strongly enough how good your service is. That is literally the only thing I care about with regards to sustainment/upgrading of your service. (Not to say I haven't enjoyed the other things you've done, of course.)
Kickmr 13y ago
We use balanced for reddit and I'm wondering if stripe works similarly such that from one incoming payment you can pay multiple bank accounts?
- pc 13y ago
  Yup. See https://stripe.com/blog/send-payouts-with-stripe https://stripe.com/blog/send-payouts-with-stripe for more details.
  - Kickmr 13y ago
    Thanks. Not sure I see any reason to switch but its interesting.
- deleted 13y ago
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dencold 13y ago
pc, any word on if you'll be supporting ACH debits through stripe api anytime soon? (aka charging customers via bank accounts).

sjtgraham 13y ago

How is Balanced inferior, exactly? I would call neither party inferior, but as far as I can see Balanced has the better product. Two things Balanced has that Stripe does not: ACH debit and credit, and programmatic merchant underwriting. Massive features IMO.

icelancer 13y ago
Third party plugins is not even close. Shopping carts overwhelmingly support Stripe and not Balanced. EDIT: Not sure who downvoted you; it was a fair question. I countered it with an upvote.
- sjtgraham 13y ago
  Thanks. Shopping cart integration is first mover advantage. Stripe was the first to market with a product that dissolved two huge problems with accepting payments online: merchant underwriting and PCI-DSS compliance. Because of this it's unsurprising that i.) shopping carts rushed to integrate with them, and ii.) there is as much community good will toward Stripe as there is. You could reach out to Balanced about API wrappers libs, I'm sure they would love someone to write language idiomatic libraries for them. It might be a nice contract gig.
  - icelancer 13y ago
    >You could reach out to Balanced about API wrappers libs, I'm sure they would love someone to write language idiomatic libraries for them. It might be a nice contract gig. I have, they suggested I open a ticket, and I did many months ago. No movement since. I am not good enough to write a wrapper and frankly time/money preference dictates I spend it elsewhere, in any case.
    - voltagex_ 13y ago
      I'd probably send them another note. They've been pretty good working with GitTip.
13y ago

icelancer 13y ago

brackishlake, your comment is dead and you are probably hellbanned (no one can see your posts outside of a few who turn them on). You have some really good comments here, so maybe re-register and post them again. You were likely banned for submitting/spamming your chriswinn.com posts.

dclausen 13y ago

I've implemented Stripe, Stripe Connect and Balanced, and I consider them to be comparable in offerings if you are a traditional non-marketplace merchant. To say Balanced is inferior save for their Payout speed is not true. Their differences become more clear when you are operating as a marketplace. It’s been stated before, and I’ll reiterate, Balanced’s merchant account underwriting for marketplaces is performed via their API. This means the marketplace retains complete visibility into the account signup process. With Stripe Connect, you are redirected to their website, which means your potential user may or may not ever make it back to your system for whatever reason. During merchant underwriting, Stripe Connect requires each merchant to create an account on their system with their own username and password. This means they are free to access their account on Stripe outside of your system. While good for the merchant, it might not be so for the marketplace trying to ensure all transactions continue to run smoothly. Also, because each merchant account in Stripe Connect is separate, the marketplace does not gain any economies of scale when it comes to pooling together all credit card transactions for volume pricing purposes. Balanced has a single escrow account that all funds are held in and does offer volume pricing based upon that. In my opinion, Stripe’s focus originally seemed to be on the individual merchant and have recently made changes to make them more attractive to marketplaces. However, Balanced’s approach has been to offer a more complete solution for a marketplace, while still allowing for all the same features to be used as a single merchant.