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Anti-consumer? The fact that you could share a game (either on a disc or a digital download) with your family members or the fact that you didn't need to deal w

by ameen 13y ago

Anti-consumer? The fact that you could share a game (either on a disc or a digital download) with your family members or the fact that you didn't need to deal with optical media? This could've been a brilliant console had MS addressed the media a bit more cautiously. Pity that major players still aren't ready for an Online console, while upstarts like Ouya and others will be defining newer experiences that are more suited to the new digital paradigm.

bornhuetter 13y ago
As far as I understand it, other people can log into your console to play the game, or you can log into someone elses console. You cannot lend games to anyone to use on another console without giving them access to your account. They also places very clear restrictions on selling used games. There is no reason why these require additional payments or phone home every day. Phone home on activation or trade would have sufficed, and I would have cheered it all the way.
- bskap 13y ago
  The original plan let you designate 10 accounts that could play any of your games (although only one account plus the main could play a game at once- no buying one copy of Halo and then having all 11 of you get online at once). The check-in is required in order to remove old games from your account, not to add new games. It's to make sure you still have the license to the game that you're playing. That's far more generous than Valve's "no you can't sell used games ever"
  - bornhuetter 13y ago
    So what is the point of the once per day online requirement? And what is the point of restricting used games? There are no technical reasons for these (as I have explained in other posts), and so people are justifiably were livid.
    - lotso 13y ago
      The once per day is to ensure you still have legitimate access to the game. The point of restricting used games is that all games are treated as digital downloads, whether they are delivered over the internet or through a disc install.
    - bskap 13y ago
      If your friends can play your games at any time, it means that the game is not tied to a disc, it is tied to your account. That makes it more like Steam. How does one sell a used Steam game? The answer (for all current digital services) is that you don't- there is no used market for any game that requires Steam or Origin or any other digital service. Microsoft wanted to change that. But in order to implement something resembling used games, you have to remove access to the game when someone sells their copy. And the only way to do that is to have the console verify licenses. The easy way to implement that is with a license check every time you start the game. Microsoft tried to be nicer than that by only checking once every 24-hours so you didn't always have to be online.

by ameen 13y ago

bornhuetter 13y ago

As far as I understand it, other people can log into your console to play the game, or you can log into someone elses console. You cannot lend games to anyone to use on another console without giving them access to your account. They also places very clear restrictions on selling used games. There is no reason why these require additional payments or phone home every day. Phone home on activation or trade would have sufficed, and I would have cheered it all the way.

bskap 13y ago
The original plan let you designate 10 accounts that could play any of your games (although only one account plus the main could play a game at once- no buying one copy of Halo and then having all 11 of you get online at once). The check-in is required in order to remove old games from your account, not to add new games. It's to make sure you still have the license to the game that you're playing. That's far more generous than Valve's "no you can't sell used games ever"
- bornhuetter 13y ago
  So what is the point of the once per day online requirement? And what is the point of restricting used games? There are no technical reasons for these (as I have explained in other posts), and so people are justifiably were livid.
  - lotso 13y ago
    The once per day is to ensure you still have legitimate access to the game. The point of restricting used games is that all games are treated as digital downloads, whether they are delivered over the internet or through a disc install.
  - bskap 13y ago
    If your friends can play your games at any time, it means that the game is not tied to a disc, it is tied to your account. That makes it more like Steam. How does one sell a used Steam game? The answer (for all current digital services) is that you don't- there is no used market for any game that requires Steam or Origin or any other digital service. Microsoft wanted to change that. But in order to implement something resembling used games, you have to remove access to the game when someone sells their copy. And the only way to do that is to have the console verify licenses. The easy way to implement that is with a license check every time you start the game. Microsoft tried to be nicer than that by only checking once every 24-hours so you didn't always have to be online.