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Sadly, the letter is unreadable on Firefox Android. It's like everything is a widget these days, web pages are no longer self-contained, and usability, among ot

Sadly, the letter is unreadable on Firefox Android. It's like everything is a widget these days, web pages are no longer self-contained, and usability, among other things, suffers.

mitchty 13y ago
Also unreadable where i work where scribd is basically useless. Would be nice if people linked to pdfs instead of scribd.
- codegeek 13y ago
  same here. was looking forward to read but scribd is blocked at where I am
- deleted 13y ago
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- endgame 13y ago
  Has scribd been useful anywhere?
  - 91bananas 13y ago
    I have found copies of ridiculously priced textbooks there, but the pain to search through them almost outweighs their free-ness.
  - hobs 13y ago
    Hear hear, I dont understand why people do it either, it just seems like all it adds is pagination and embedding for their pdf document which already has readers custom built for the task? If you want to make something for presentation on the web dont make a pdf.
    - leephillips 13y ago
      PDF is excellent for presenting information on the web, but sribd certainly sucks.
      - Scramblejams 13y ago
        "PDF is excellent for presenting information on the web" Except when you want to link to somewhere in the middle of it, or view it on a resource-constrained device, or reflow the text to a window size of your own choosing, or or or... More here: http://www.nngroup.com/articles/pdf-unfit-for-human-consumption/ http://www.nngroup.com/articles/pdf-unfit-for-human-consumpt...
        leephillips 13y ago
        You can actually embed fragment identifiers inside PDFs, but I don't know if any web browsers can understand them. Your other points are of course known to everybody - I even know these things myself, and yet I maintain that "PDF is excellent for presenting information on the web". Especially PDFs designed for delivery on the web, rather than 20 MB files designed for printing. HTML solves problems, like reflow, that are unsolved by PDF, but PDF is still the best choice if precise control over typography and layout are needed, as they are for some documents. The article you link to was right on target in 2003, when it appeared, but is obsolete now. Browsers no longer crash when asked to render a PDF; no external readers are needed, if you use the right browser. In Chrome I can navigate into and out of PDF documents completely seemlessly; if used carefully they can be an integral part of the web.
      - moheeb 13y ago
        I could have sworn they invented web pages for that.
- DanBC 13y ago
  When someone submits a PDF to HN it'll be automatically changed to a scribd link, so that's why you see so many scribd links to HN. I know that doesn't help with this particular article.
  - edwardy20 13y ago
    Why? And what if the pdf doesn't exist on scribd?
  - Camillo 13y ago
    Why? Was Scribd an Ycombinator company? Is pg the devil?
    - wisty 13y ago
      Yes, and no; because once upon a time (when the decision was made) it was really painful to hit a PDF, because you'd wake the memory-hogging, task-bar infesting beast that Firefox wanted to open PDFs with.
  - ben0x539 13y ago
    I think a scribd link gets added to the end rather than substituted for the entire link?
yaakov 13y ago
Here is the text: http://pastebin.com/enQyYvsQ http://pastebin.com/enQyYvsQ Original source here: http://localforums.org/westorange/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=672f1879955231139f46a7b128e33b0a&topic=101.msg697#msg697 http://localforums.org/westorange/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=... Images of the pages: [1](http://www.westorange.info/images/cease-and-desist-letter/Response%20letter%20page%201.png http://www.westorange.info/images/cease-and-desist-letter/Re...), [2](http://www.westorange.info/images/cease-and-desist-letter/Response%20letter%20page%202.png http://www.westorange.info/images/cease-and-desist-letter/Re...), [3](http://www.westorange.info/images/cease-and-desist-letter/Response%20letter%20page%203.png http://www.westorange.info/images/cease-and-desist-letter/Re...)
Imagenuity 13y ago
Works fine on my stock Android browser. Android 4.2.2 on a Nexus 7.
- yareally 13y ago
  For what it's worth, the stock browser on the nexus 7 is chrome (unless you root and sideload the actual stock aosp browser or use a custom Rom with it).
  - Imagenuity 13y ago
    The browser on a Nexus 7 when an app requests a webview is WebKit 534.30. Chrome 27.0.1452.90 on Android 4.2.2 is WebKit 537.36. Appears there are two 'stock' browsers, no rooting or sideloading necessary.
    - yareally 13y ago
      I'm aware WebViews are not part of Chome, since they're part of AOSP. However, WebView isn't very helpful though unless one is planning on making their own app. An end user cannot launch a WebView activity themselves past apps that take advantage of them. In short, it's an html/js rendering engine, not a browser.

Sadly, the letter is unreadable on Firefox Android. It's like everything is a widget these days, web pages are no longer self-contained, and usability, among other things, suffers.

mitchty 13y ago

Also unreadable where i work where scribd is basically useless. Would be nice if people linked to pdfs instead of scribd.

codegeek 13y ago
same here. was looking forward to read but scribd is blocked at where I am
deleted 13y ago
[deleted]
endgame 13y ago
Has scribd been useful anywhere?
- 91bananas 13y ago
  I have found copies of ridiculously priced textbooks there, but the pain to search through them almost outweighs their free-ness.
- hobs 13y ago
  Hear hear, I dont understand why people do it either, it just seems like all it adds is pagination and embedding for their pdf document which already has readers custom built for the task? If you want to make something for presentation on the web dont make a pdf.
  - leephillips 13y ago
    PDF is excellent for presenting information on the web, but sribd certainly sucks.
    - Scramblejams 13y ago
      "PDF is excellent for presenting information on the web" Except when you want to link to somewhere in the middle of it, or view it on a resource-constrained device, or reflow the text to a window size of your own choosing, or or or... More here: http://www.nngroup.com/articles/pdf-unfit-for-human-consumption/ http://www.nngroup.com/articles/pdf-unfit-for-human-consumpt...
      - leephillips 13y ago
        You can actually embed fragment identifiers inside PDFs, but I don't know if any web browsers can understand them. Your other points are of course known to everybody - I even know these things myself, and yet I maintain that "PDF is excellent for presenting information on the web". Especially PDFs designed for delivery on the web, rather than 20 MB files designed for printing. HTML solves problems, like reflow, that are unsolved by PDF, but PDF is still the best choice if precise control over typography and layout are needed, as they are for some documents. The article you link to was right on target in 2003, when it appeared, but is obsolete now. Browsers no longer crash when asked to render a PDF; no external readers are needed, if you use the right browser. In Chrome I can navigate into and out of PDF documents completely seemlessly; if used carefully they can be an integral part of the web.
    - moheeb 13y ago
      I could have sworn they invented web pages for that.
DanBC 13y ago
When someone submits a PDF to HN it'll be automatically changed to a scribd link, so that's why you see so many scribd links to HN. I know that doesn't help with this particular article.
- edwardy20 13y ago
  Why? And what if the pdf doesn't exist on scribd?
- Camillo 13y ago
  Why? Was Scribd an Ycombinator company? Is pg the devil?
  - wisty 13y ago
    Yes, and no; because once upon a time (when the decision was made) it was really painful to hit a PDF, because you'd wake the memory-hogging, task-bar infesting beast that Firefox wanted to open PDFs with.
- ben0x539 13y ago
  I think a scribd link gets added to the end rather than substituted for the entire link?

yaakov 13y ago

Here is the text: http://pastebin.com/enQyYvsQ http://pastebin.com/enQyYvsQ Original source here: http://localforums.org/westorange/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=672f1879955231139f46a7b128e33b0a&topic=101.msg697#msg697 http://localforums.org/westorange/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=... Images of the pages: [1](http://www.westorange.info/images/cease-and-desist-letter/Response%20letter%20page%201.png http://www.westorange.info/images/cease-and-desist-letter/Re...), [2](http://www.westorange.info/images/cease-and-desist-letter/Response%20letter%20page%202.png http://www.westorange.info/images/cease-and-desist-letter/Re...), [3](http://www.westorange.info/images/cease-and-desist-letter/Response%20letter%20page%203.png http://www.westorange.info/images/cease-and-desist-letter/Re...)

Imagenuity 13y ago

Works fine on my stock Android browser. Android 4.2.2 on a Nexus 7.

yareally 13y ago
For what it's worth, the stock browser on the nexus 7 is chrome (unless you root and sideload the actual stock aosp browser or use a custom Rom with it).
- Imagenuity 13y ago
  The browser on a Nexus 7 when an app requests a webview is WebKit 534.30. Chrome 27.0.1452.90 on Android 4.2.2 is WebKit 537.36. Appears there are two 'stock' browsers, no rooting or sideloading necessary.
  - yareally 13y ago
    I'm aware WebViews are not part of Chome, since they're part of AOSP. However, WebView isn't very helpful though unless one is planning on making their own app. An end user cannot launch a WebView activity themselves past apps that take advantage of them. In short, it's an html/js rendering engine, not a browser.