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This has been my main project for months - I'd love to hear what the HN community thinks.

by coopr 13y ago

mey 13y ago
Is there pricing information available yet? I only see pricing for web app/mobile app.
- jmondo 13y ago
  it's all free!
  - vehementi 13y ago
    What does that mean about pay service? Is that now free? Am I missing the distinction between what's on the linked page and the normal webapp monitoring service?
    - pathy 13y ago
      As far as I can tell it is an addition to the normal monitoring? I can download the plugins via their standard dashboard.
      - coopr 13y ago
        Correct, this is a new feature, in addition to all our existing features. This feature is available at all plan levels, but some other New Relic features require a paid plan.
    - ben1040 13y ago
      It looks like the main reason to pay is for data retention -- otherwise the free service only gives you 24 hours of data. IIRC that was also the distinction between the previous services New Relic offered, free for 24 hours, pay for more.
      - vehementi 13y ago
        Old (?) free accounts did not have full analysis tools - you could not break down slow requests etc. with Java monitoring, only see the average response time over a time range.
  - coopr 13y ago
    Using, authoring, and publishing plugins is free. If you have a paid New Relic account, all this goodness costs $0 extra - same if you have a free New Relic account.
jpadilla_ 13y ago
Can New Relic-Heroku users use plugins or is it limited only to New Relic only users?
- coopr 13y ago
  Yes!
kawsper 13y ago
Why didn't you go with statsd or graphite? You would have gotten a lot of bindings with that.
- coopr 13y ago
  Try a New Relic plugin and you'll find out why ;) The experience of adding monitoring with a New Relic plugin should be MUCH better than with any other monitoring approach.
  - kawsper 13y ago
    I still need to rewrite all my statsd/graphite implementations. Could you tell me what differs in your solution, and why it is better? And why you didn't choose Graphite/Carbon or statsd?
- lmirosevic 13y ago
  Can I ask you why use graphite over SaaS based monitoring like scout, etc.? I'm genuinely curious. Is it just because it's free?
  - kawsper 13y ago
    I haven't used Scout but I have the same problems with that as I do with NewRelic. Their plugins is built for their vendor agent. With that said I do like the opensource plugins of Scout. The issue is that we are now a lot of people that tries to solve the same kind of problems. Everyone seems to be writing collectors that reports information to backends. On top of my head I can name: http://opensource.brightcove.com/project/diamond/ http://opensource.brightcove.com/project/diamond/ http://collectl.sourceforge.net/ http://collectl.sourceforge.net/ http://collectd.org/ http://collectd.org/ They all implement some kind of RRD or Graphite service hooks. It would be nice if all I should do to upgrade was to point my existing collectd collectors to NewRelic or Scout and be good to go. Instead, I now have to reconfigure my whole stack, install their agent, add their plugins for my software, make sure things are working and then switch. I am not advocating that everyone should use Graphite, I am just advocating that we should have some consistency between these systems, so we can use the same collectors no matter what the backend is. I had a feeling that Graphite+Statsd was where the community was heading given that both Etsy and Github are using that.
cagenut 13y ago
netscaler support please!
- coopr 13y ago
  You'd like to see NetScaler monitored by a New Relic plugin? Great - build it! If NetScaler makes it easy to get out metrics (SNMP?) then writing a plugin might take only a day or less.

This has been my main project for months - I'd love to hear what the HN community thinks.

by coopr 13y ago

This has been my main project for months - I'd love to hear what the HN community thinks.

mey 13y ago

Is there pricing information available yet? I only see pricing for web app/mobile app.

jmondo 13y ago
it's all free!
- vehementi 13y ago
  What does that mean about pay service? Is that now free? Am I missing the distinction between what's on the linked page and the normal webapp monitoring service?
  - pathy 13y ago
    As far as I can tell it is an addition to the normal monitoring? I can download the plugins via their standard dashboard.
    - coopr 13y ago
      Correct, this is a new feature, in addition to all our existing features. This feature is available at all plan levels, but some other New Relic features require a paid plan.
  - ben1040 13y ago
    It looks like the main reason to pay is for data retention -- otherwise the free service only gives you 24 hours of data. IIRC that was also the distinction between the previous services New Relic offered, free for 24 hours, pay for more.
    - vehementi 13y ago
      Old (?) free accounts did not have full analysis tools - you could not break down slow requests etc. with Java monitoring, only see the average response time over a time range.
- coopr 13y ago
  Using, authoring, and publishing plugins is free. If you have a paid New Relic account, all this goodness costs $0 extra - same if you have a free New Relic account.

jpadilla_ 13y ago

Can New Relic-Heroku users use plugins or is it limited only to New Relic only users?

coopr 13y ago
Yes!

kawsper 13y ago

Why didn't you go with statsd or graphite? You would have gotten a lot of bindings with that.

coopr 13y ago
Try a New Relic plugin and you'll find out why ;) The experience of adding monitoring with a New Relic plugin should be MUCH better than with any other monitoring approach.
- kawsper 13y ago
  I still need to rewrite all my statsd/graphite implementations. Could you tell me what differs in your solution, and why it is better? And why you didn't choose Graphite/Carbon or statsd?
lmirosevic 13y ago
Can I ask you why use graphite over SaaS based monitoring like scout, etc.? I'm genuinely curious. Is it just because it's free?
- kawsper 13y ago
  I haven't used Scout but I have the same problems with that as I do with NewRelic. Their plugins is built for their vendor agent. With that said I do like the opensource plugins of Scout. The issue is that we are now a lot of people that tries to solve the same kind of problems. Everyone seems to be writing collectors that reports information to backends. On top of my head I can name: http://opensource.brightcove.com/project/diamond/ http://opensource.brightcove.com/project/diamond/ http://collectl.sourceforge.net/ http://collectl.sourceforge.net/ http://collectd.org/ http://collectd.org/ They all implement some kind of RRD or Graphite service hooks. It would be nice if all I should do to upgrade was to point my existing collectd collectors to NewRelic or Scout and be good to go. Instead, I now have to reconfigure my whole stack, install their agent, add their plugins for my software, make sure things are working and then switch. I am not advocating that everyone should use Graphite, I am just advocating that we should have some consistency between these systems, so we can use the same collectors no matter what the backend is. I had a feeling that Graphite+Statsd was where the community was heading given that both Etsy and Github are using that.

cagenut 13y ago

netscaler support please!

coopr 13y ago
You'd like to see NetScaler monitored by a New Relic plugin? Great - build it! If NetScaler makes it easy to get out metrics (SNMP?) then writing a plugin might take only a day or less.