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Yep, exactly. Now, this makes me wonder: What could be an equivalent implementation for e-mails. An e-mail host that encourages immediate download, totally del

by clicks 13y ago

Yep, exactly. Now, this makes me wonder: What could be an equivalent implementation for e-mails. An e-mail host that encourages immediate download, totally deletes e-mail contents, deletes logs of any sort, etc. when you delete messages?

mbq 13y ago
You can start your own mail server and make it encrypt all incoming messages with your GPG or SMIME public key. This way NSA will have to collect your old messages from various senders' servers (or the archive made by their sniffers).
- craigching 13y ago
  That's the second time I've seen someone use GPG and the first time I assumed it was a mistype and they meant "PGP", so I looked it up. Just in case anyone was in the same boat as me: http://gnupg.org http://gnupg.org
mtgx 13y ago
I'd be happy even with a host that allows you to delete e-mails en masse, or auto-delete them after a set period of time, say 180 days, which is how much is necessary to pass before the US government considers e-mail "free for all". You could also try Bitmessage or Retroshare, where e-mails are automatically encrypted, and P2P (no central server).
siddboots 13y ago
> An e-mail host that encourages immediate download, totally deletes e-mail contents, deletes logs of any sort, etc. when you delete messages? That would be POP3.
Fice 13y ago
The first thing to do is to avoid using the most popular email hosts. The world's email should not be centralized around some popular service like Gmail, but should be distributed over many hosts and countries. And we also need distributed search engines (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_search_engine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_search_engine).
BCM43 13y ago
That's pretty close to what riseup.net does. https://help.riseup.net/en/privacy-policy https://help.riseup.net/en/privacy-policy Of course, you have to trust them to actually do that.
betterunix 13y ago
You mean the way things used to be before GMail showed up? Back when we had mail quotas? Back when 10MB of email storage was the norm?
BrainInAJar 13y ago
Never trust any service you aren't paying for.

by clicks 13y ago

mbq 13y ago

You can start your own mail server and make it encrypt all incoming messages with your GPG or SMIME public key. This way NSA will have to collect your old messages from various senders' servers (or the archive made by their sniffers).

craigching 13y ago
That's the second time I've seen someone use GPG and the first time I assumed it was a mistype and they meant "PGP", so I looked it up. Just in case anyone was in the same boat as me: http://gnupg.org http://gnupg.org

mtgx 13y ago

I'd be happy even with a host that allows you to delete e-mails en masse, or auto-delete them after a set period of time, say 180 days, which is how much is necessary to pass before the US government considers e-mail "free for all". You could also try Bitmessage or Retroshare, where e-mails are automatically encrypted, and P2P (no central server).

siddboots 13y ago

> An e-mail host that encourages immediate download, totally deletes e-mail contents, deletes logs of any sort, etc. when you delete messages? That would be POP3.

Fice 13y ago

The first thing to do is to avoid using the most popular email hosts. The world's email should not be centralized around some popular service like Gmail, but should be distributed over many hosts and countries. And we also need distributed search engines (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_search_engine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_search_engine).

BCM43 13y ago

That's pretty close to what riseup.net does. https://help.riseup.net/en/privacy-policy https://help.riseup.net/en/privacy-policy Of course, you have to trust them to actually do that.

betterunix 13y ago

You mean the way things used to be before GMail showed up? Back when we had mail quotas? Back when 10MB of email storage was the norm?

BrainInAJar 13y ago

Never trust any service you aren't paying for.