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Try to get a US politician to talk about anything that we do wrong with regard to foreign policy. Don't forget that we overthrew their democratically elected

by chubot 13y ago

Try to get a US politician to talk about anything that we do wrong with regard to foreign policy. Don't forget that we overthrew their democratically elected government too (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat). Ron Paul is intellectually honest; I regret not voting for him now. It would have been mostly symbolic but you know he would be on the right side of this whole PRISM debacle.

krapp 13y ago
I respect Ron Paul's honesty. I think he sincerely believes in what he says, and too few politicians are willing to stand for their principles these days, especially when those principles contradict the status quo. I even agree with most of what i've read of his views. I just wish some of what else he appears to believe didn't seem so batshit crazy to me, otherwise I would decamp from the Democrats in a heartbeat. He seems to want to turn us into 50 semi-autonomous laissez-faire oligarchies. I don't actually hate the entire government and I do believe certain things like the FDA, Federal Reserve, Department of Labor, and FEMA serve a valuable purpose.
cpursley 13y ago
Seems like the Pauls, father and son, have ideologies that are positive for the tech industry. I always wondered why the valley and other technologists pull the left-trigger at the polls. Is it that the right is so bad they are voting against it, or they actually think the left cares about their interests (as it is recently apparent that they are not)?
- dragonwriter 13y ago
  > Seems like the Pauls, father and son, have ideologies that are positive for the tech industry. Aside from ways in which it is good for the wealthy generally, I don't see how it is good for the "tech industry". > Is it that the right is so bad they are voting against it, or they actually think the left cares about their interests? I don't think those are the only two options; I can easily believe, for example, that the policies a particular party is likely to pursue in office will, in fact, be better for my interests than any of the alternatives without thinking that the politicians in that party actually care about my interests.
- CamperBob2 13y ago
  Seems like the Pauls, father and son, have ideologies that are positive for the tech industry. Maybe. As a "tech" kind of guy, I'm not quite ready to vote for a medical doctor who denies human evolution.
  - cpursley 13y ago
    Whatever. Look at their voting records. The Pauls are often the only ones voting against the majority on a bill. Actions are more important than words, and that's what's so disappointing about President Obama.
  - flyinRyan 13y ago
    A one-issue voter is bad enough, but an irrelevant non-issue voter really takes the cake. Who gives a flying fuck, are you afraid he'll outlaw evolving or something? And what does being a medical doctor have to do with evolution? Evolution has no effect on medication at that level.
    - blots 13y ago
      http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/medicine_01 http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/medicine_01
      - PavlovsCat 13y ago
        Nice try. Now differentiate between a medical doctor and a medical researcher.
        CamperBob2 13y ago
        I don't see the difference. I don't trust either of them to do their jobs properly if their mental model of reality is based on religion. If my doctor doesn't accept evolutionary theory, I have to wonder what else he doesn't accept. Can I trust him to advise on my childrens' vaccinations? Will he give me wife good advice on birth control? Did he just prescribe a homeopathic remedy for my high blood pressure? I prefer dealing with professionals who use the best available evidence to make decisions in both their professional and personal lives. That way I don't have to wonder who he/she answers to at the end of the day. And that rules out MDs who don't accept the basic tenets of modern biology.
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by chubot 13y ago

krapp 13y ago

I respect Ron Paul's honesty. I think he sincerely believes in what he says, and too few politicians are willing to stand for their principles these days, especially when those principles contradict the status quo. I even agree with most of what i've read of his views. I just wish some of what else he appears to believe didn't seem so batshit crazy to me, otherwise I would decamp from the Democrats in a heartbeat. He seems to want to turn us into 50 semi-autonomous laissez-faire oligarchies. I don't actually hate the entire government and I do believe certain things like the FDA, Federal Reserve, Department of Labor, and FEMA serve a valuable purpose.

cpursley 13y ago

Seems like the Pauls, father and son, have ideologies that are positive for the tech industry. I always wondered why the valley and other technologists pull the left-trigger at the polls. Is it that the right is so bad they are voting against it, or they actually think the left cares about their interests (as it is recently apparent that they are not)?

dragonwriter 13y ago
> Seems like the Pauls, father and son, have ideologies that are positive for the tech industry. Aside from ways in which it is good for the wealthy generally, I don't see how it is good for the "tech industry". > Is it that the right is so bad they are voting against it, or they actually think the left cares about their interests? I don't think those are the only two options; I can easily believe, for example, that the policies a particular party is likely to pursue in office will, in fact, be better for my interests than any of the alternatives without thinking that the politicians in that party actually care about my interests.
CamperBob2 13y ago
Seems like the Pauls, father and son, have ideologies that are positive for the tech industry. Maybe. As a "tech" kind of guy, I'm not quite ready to vote for a medical doctor who denies human evolution.
- cpursley 13y ago
  Whatever. Look at their voting records. The Pauls are often the only ones voting against the majority on a bill. Actions are more important than words, and that's what's so disappointing about President Obama.
- flyinRyan 13y ago
  A one-issue voter is bad enough, but an irrelevant non-issue voter really takes the cake. Who gives a flying fuck, are you afraid he'll outlaw evolving or something? And what does being a medical doctor have to do with evolution? Evolution has no effect on medication at that level.
  - blots 13y ago
    http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/medicine_01 http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/medicine_01
    - PavlovsCat 13y ago
      Nice try. Now differentiate between a medical doctor and a medical researcher.
      - CamperBob2 13y ago
        I don't see the difference. I don't trust either of them to do their jobs properly if their mental model of reality is based on religion. If my doctor doesn't accept evolutionary theory, I have to wonder what else he doesn't accept. Can I trust him to advise on my childrens' vaccinations? Will he give me wife good advice on birth control? Did he just prescribe a homeopathic remedy for my high blood pressure? I prefer dealing with professionals who use the best available evidence to make decisions in both their professional and personal lives. That way I don't have to wonder who he/she answers to at the end of the day. And that rules out MDs who don't accept the basic tenets of modern biology.
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