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We've seen this cycle all the time. New generation comes, brings down two generations worth of powerful influences. It's no coincidence that all the revolts i

by gcb0 13y ago

We've seen this cycle all the time. New generation comes, brings down two generations worth of powerful influences. It's no coincidence that all the revolts in the world are happening somewhat in the same decade. Arab spring, Turkey, now Brazil... and I don't even follow the news.

walshemj 13y ago
From what we have seen so far in the Arab spring the "progressive elements" are getting squeezed out by the reactionarys - Just like the Iranian Revolution. This is what the secular protestors are worried about in Turkey. Brazil is slightly different always wondered if the hardline clearance of the favellas for the world cup/Olympics would come back to bite them on the ass.
- cinquemb 13y ago
  >From what we have seen so far in the Arab spring the "progressive elements" are getting squeezed out by the reactionarys And the profiteers in some cases[0]… but alas, this is nothing new… [0]: http://www.cfr.org/qatar/tiny-qatars-big-plans-may-change-mideast/p26143 http://www.cfr.org/qatar/tiny-qatars-big-plans-may-change-mi...
- alexqgb 13y ago
  Judging from this photoset, it's biting them hard. http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/06/protests-spread-across-brazil/100536/ http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/06/protests-spread-a...
roc 13y ago
The interesting part, from where I'm sitting, is that I don't think the younger generation will see any "error" in Snowden jetting to Hong Kong, nor in revealing information about NSA surveillance on foreign targets. I think they see "people who are online" as a sort of kindred/nation in a way the older generations reserved for countrymen or foreign adherents to their own religious faith. And I don't mean to say they lack national identity or anything; nor that it's an extreme identification. I just mean that it seems, to me, their outrage is more about being spied on on Facebook, rather than being spied on in America. So if China had to find out about the spying for Americans to find out, I don't think they're going to rank "China is not our great friend" as more important than "online spying is wrong" and be all that divided on the issue of whether Snowden did anything wrong.

by gcb0 13y ago

walshemj 13y ago

From what we have seen so far in the Arab spring the "progressive elements" are getting squeezed out by the reactionarys - Just like the Iranian Revolution. This is what the secular protestors are worried about in Turkey. Brazil is slightly different always wondered if the hardline clearance of the favellas for the world cup/Olympics would come back to bite them on the ass.

cinquemb 13y ago
>From what we have seen so far in the Arab spring the "progressive elements" are getting squeezed out by the reactionarys And the profiteers in some cases[0]… but alas, this is nothing new… [0]: http://www.cfr.org/qatar/tiny-qatars-big-plans-may-change-mideast/p26143 http://www.cfr.org/qatar/tiny-qatars-big-plans-may-change-mi...
alexqgb 13y ago
Judging from this photoset, it's biting them hard. http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/06/protests-spread-across-brazil/100536/ http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/06/protests-spread-a...

roc 13y ago

The interesting part, from where I'm sitting, is that I don't think the younger generation will see any "error" in Snowden jetting to Hong Kong, nor in revealing information about NSA surveillance on foreign targets. I think they see "people who are online" as a sort of kindred/nation in a way the older generations reserved for countrymen or foreign adherents to their own religious faith. And I don't mean to say they lack national identity or anything; nor that it's an extreme identification. I just mean that it seems, to me, their outrage is more about being spied on on Facebook, rather than being spied on in America. So if China had to find out about the spying for Americans to find out, I don't think they're going to rank "China is not our great friend" as more important than "online spying is wrong" and be all that divided on the issue of whether Snowden did anything wrong.