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"But if we do acquire any information that relates to a US person, under limited criteria only, can we keep it. If it has to do with foreign intelligence in tha

by tghw 13y ago

"But if we do acquire any information that relates to a US person, under limited criteria only, can we keep it. If it has to do with foreign intelligence in that conversation or understanding foreign intelligence, or evidence of a crime or a threat of serious bodily injury, we can respond to that. Other than that, we have to get rid of it, we have to purge it, and we can't use it." (emphasis mine) This seems very close to an admission that they both have and analyze the data before purging it. Combined with the idea that most people commit three felonies a day and pretty quickly all of these assertions about not spying on US citizens or people in the US goes out the window.

waterlesscloud 13y ago
Here's the thing- if they get and store this data, in any way whatsoever, it's going to come out. With a 100% certainty, that fact will out in time. And when it does, any word games they try to play now will just be devastating to them then. Absolutely devastating. It will not protect them, it will not help them, it will damn them. So, given that it will come out and it will hurt them when it does...why play the games? Either they aren't storing the data (which seems possible still, though less likely than I thought 2 weeks ago), or they're operating with the future planning capability of a fruit fly. I don't know which it is,but this doesn't feel like it's going to end well for anyone.
- lettergram 13y ago
  Someone did try to say that they keep data... In the original release by Snowden.
- narag 13y ago
  That's why a gradual release of revelations is such a good strategy. We've been seeing this in Spain in corruption cases. The target doesn't know what to expect: has the leaker had access to the real stuff or did he just scratched the surface? The danger of a too dismisive response is being caught in outright lies. With time, more people appears involved and the matter stays in the news.

by tghw 13y ago

waterlesscloud 13y ago

Here's the thing- if they get and store this data, in any way whatsoever, it's going to come out. With a 100% certainty, that fact will out in time. And when it does, any word games they try to play now will just be devastating to them then. Absolutely devastating. It will not protect them, it will not help them, it will damn them. So, given that it will come out and it will hurt them when it does...why play the games? Either they aren't storing the data (which seems possible still, though less likely than I thought 2 weeks ago), or they're operating with the future planning capability of a fruit fly. I don't know which it is,but this doesn't feel like it's going to end well for anyone.

lettergram 13y ago
Someone did try to say that they keep data... In the original release by Snowden.
narag 13y ago
That's why a gradual release of revelations is such a good strategy. We've been seeing this in Spain in corruption cases. The target doesn't know what to expect: has the leaker had access to the real stuff or did he just scratched the surface? The danger of a too dismisive response is being caught in outright lies. With time, more people appears involved and the matter stays in the news.