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This thread like a lot of topics in this space is full of misinformation so let me dispel some common myths: 1. "I never click on ads" Irrelevant and, more of
by cletus 13y ago
This thread like a lot of topics in this space is full of misinformation so let me dispel some common myths:
1. "I never click on ads"
Irrelevant and, more often than not, a lie. But let's assume it's the truth. Search advertising is an example of intent-based advertising. It's why it works so well. If you're searching for camera then a site that sells cameras (via an ad in the search results) is likely relevant.
Display advertising (which encompasses things like ads on the NY Times etc) on the other hand is not there specifically to drive a particular action. Brand awareness is a common use case.
Search advertising is sold on a CPC basis because it is intent based. Display advertising is by and large sold on a CPM basis. You don't get the impression and the publisher doesn't get paid. Some will label this "theft". Personally I find this like many real world analogies to be inappropriate in the digital world. Pejorative aside, it is taking money from the publisher and users have largely shown an unwillingness to pay for the content they consume directly.
2. "I don't trust [ad company X]"
The privacy argument. As this post shows, the temptation to resell your information, particularly by small players, is alluring. Frankly I'm more inclined to trust the Googles of the world than I am some guy who writes an extension. Google, for example, give you several options here.
- You can go to the Ads Preference Manager [1] and tailor your privacy settings.
- You can simply delete your cookies every hour/day/week/month/whatever.
3. "My ad blocking improves ads"
I don't know where this sprang from other than ignorance of advertising is bought and sold. No impression, no revenue. The marginal improvement in eCPC based on not showing you an ad is a) irrelevant because display advertising is often not action-based and b) no increase in revenue since it's a smaller pool of impressions.
Just today (still on the front page at the time of this post) is a submission about how people have a warped view of how much time others spend talking or thinking about them [2]. I believe the same distorted view of the world that most of us have also comes into play here.
As much hand-wringing as there is about privacy, when it comes to advertising, advertisers don't really care about you, the individual, as much as money seem to think. What advertisers care about is groups of people with a particular profile ("segment").
So I respect the approach of being paranoid (or at least diligent/skeptical) when it comes to online privacy but, as far as advertising goes anyway, it's largely theater.
I question the ethics of shifting the cost burden of the Internet onto others (ie tragedy of the commons) just because an image of a pair of shoes offends your delicate sensibilities is an interesting choice. I don't really click on ads either but I don't really care that ads for the Westin follow me around after I've gone to their site either (that's called remarketing or retargeting BTW).
Whatever the case I'd rather Google have my browsing history than Ghostery any day of the week.
I should note that I strongly believe in blocking obnoxious advertising. This includes, but is not limited to:
- popups (actual browser windows or just HTML elements that block content until dismissed)
- any video on a Web page that auto-plays
- any sound on a Web page that auto-plays
- most if not all interstitials
- anything Flash based just because I don't want anything Flash based running on my computer
It tends to be the sleazier side of the Internet that employ bad advertising practices like this but not entirely. Auto-playing media is particularly bad.
Disclaimer: I'm a Google engineer in display advertising.
[1]: http://www.google.com/ads/preferences http://www.google.com/ads/preferences
[2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5895648 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5895648
- gbog 13y ago> just because an image of a pair of shoes offends your delicate sensibilities I added an ad blocker because the ads I was served were all ugly pictures of old faces. It was ads for some regenerating skin snake oil. It was physically disgusting me. I have no time to spare tweaking the filters, so I just block everything and all is well. This is to show that the bad practices taint the less bad ones. If ads were only small text, not served more than once a week, neutral, never served to kids or other sensible segment, I'd say it could be ok. Until then I prefer no ads. (I don't watch tv for this reason)
- quadrangle 13y agoAdblock plus already handles Ads. Ghostery is for TRACKING. Your focus here is misguided. The whole point about Ghostery is: they want to collect data about the whole industry, which industry people want. So they design Ghostery to collect that data and have an opt-in anonymous feedback to them. You can see that they are not trying to block the ads because the ability to block new trackers by default is absent from the setup wizard. You have to go to the advanced settings via the separate plugin settings to get that. Again, Ghostery doesn't collect your personal browsing history unless you opt-in. The fact that it is proprietary means we can't absolutely verify this, which is a concern. But assuming it is as they say, it is much less an issue than you make it out to be. And again TRACKING is a different beast than what the form of the ad we see is.
- foobarqux 13y agoNo one needs to justify being free from coercion, not even if it means not helping to fund a website.
- ksk 13y ago>Search advertising is sold on a CPC basis because it is intent based. Display advertising is by and large sold on a CPM basis. You don't get the impression and the publisher doesn't get paid. Some will label this "theft". Actually Google is the thief here. Advertising and JS/Client Side analytics/scripts suck up my CPU time and use up my bandwidth that I pay for. All the ad-block user does is block bits from showing up on his/her own personal machine. Blocking external data from unknown/untrusted sources is theft now? Also, since we already know that compromised ad servers contribute to the proliferation of malware, its also a good security practice. (Okay maybe not static image ads, but definitely flash ads) >Frankly I'm more inclined to trust the Googles of the world than I am some guy who writes an extension. That is true in the general case, but there are several opensource extensions. And people can find out what exactly happens with their data unlike Google.