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>> Right wing populists with fascist tendencies They are patriots. They are being called fascist because they want to stop the current practice of paying 2000$

>> Right wing populists with fascist tendencies They are patriots. They are being called fascist because they want to stop the current practice of paying 2000$ for Roma families for raising children, while Hungarian families get 1/20 of that for the same task, all this while the average Hungarian works for 400$ a month. Don't believe everything what you see on TV. Go figure. A Hungarian

arkitaip 13y ago
This is the most ridiculous framing of Hungary's problems with racism and extremism [1][2][3][4][5] I've read in a long time. [1] http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/05/hungary-right-political-abyss http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/05/hungary-... [2] http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/05/16/hungary-rule-law-under-threat http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/05/16/hungary-rule-law-under-th... [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobbik http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobbik [4] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/hungary/10037188/Inside-the-far-Right-stronghold-where-Hungarian-Jews-fear-for-the-future.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/hungary/100... [5] http://library.fes.de/pdf-files/id-moe/09566.pdf http://library.fes.de/pdf-files/id-moe/09566.pdf
- friendly_chap 13y ago
  What is your point exactly? I can call your post ridicolous and link 4-5 links too but I will still lack a point!
  - arkitaip 13y ago
    My point should be perfectly obvious: the people that you nauseating describe as patriots are nothing more than racists, thugs and nationalists. I've provided several different independent and credible sources to support this claim - can you do the same?
  - phaer 13y ago
    Those are quite reliable sources, while you are just one person who seem to sympathize with Jobbik. If you post 5 links to (kind of) neutral sources, i'll gladly read them.
  - friendly_chap 13y ago
    To the two sibling comments: In those links, please tell me, what proves that the Jobbik is a fascist party? Also, I am not a person sympathizing with Jobbik, I am first and foremost a Hungarian, who lives here. If people are murdering my family, no amount of your links will prove that they are alive and well. It's that simple.
    - icebraining 13y ago
      If people are murdering my family, no amount of your links will prove that they are alive and well. It's that simple. But you were the one claiming they aren't anti-semitic, so why should we believe it in face of the reported incidents?
      - friendly_chap 13y ago
        Why should a party be anti-semitic? Do I sleep better if the guys in Israel have a bad time? No. I wish them the best. On the other hand, if a country (be it Israel or any other) threatens my country why can't I speak up?
        tome 13y ago
        How is Israel threatening your country?
        icebraining 13y ago
        The incidents I read weren't related to Israel, so I'm not sure why are you bringing it up.
        phaer 13y ago
        Because he is anti-semite, in their modern form they say "...but israel!" whenever you criticize them or even question their ideology. There's a strong myth about liberals/jews being responsible for the devastating economic policies of the government in hungary. Fun fact: Most Jobbik members and sympathizers are describing themselfs as apolitical hungarians who are "just patriotic".
- endriju 13y ago
  I would say his post was misunderstood. There is a great deal of frustration in Eastern Europe (not only Hungary) coming from difficulties with integration of minorities (especially Roma minority) into society. Democracy didn't solve this problem nor money from EU did. Of course this topic is being misused by populists. The bad thing is that people who doesn't really care about the future of our countries take advantage of this problem for their personal power and wealth ambitions. Slovakia citizen (Hungary neighbor).
casiotone 13y ago
Should have signed this "A fascist". "It's not fascism! It's just Common Sense that Racial Group X is the real threat facing Country Y."
- friendly_chap 13y ago
  No racial group is a threat to my country. The leadership who intentionally creates these problems between racial groups so they can steal everything while the public is occupied with these visible problems is.
weland 13y ago
> They are being called fascist because they want to stop the current practice of paying 2000$ for Roma families for raising children, while Hungarian families get 1/20 of that for the same task, all this while the average Hungarian works for 400$ a month. In all fairness, the uniforms, the cozy media bill and all that don't help very much, either.
pessimizer 13y ago
Is that because welfare payments going towards many of the children of 5% of the population are somehow crippling the Hungarian economy, or because racial identity is strengthened by attacking minorities? Whether a Hungarian supports or is against what is happening in Hungary, they always seem to confirm what I'm seeing on TV. Go figure.

arkitaip 13y ago

This is the most ridiculous framing of Hungary's problems with racism and extremism [1][2][3][4][5] I've read in a long time. [1] http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/05/hungary-right-political-abyss http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/05/hungary-... [2] http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/05/16/hungary-rule-law-under-threat http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/05/16/hungary-rule-law-under-th... [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobbik http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobbik [4] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/hungary/10037188/Inside-the-far-Right-stronghold-where-Hungarian-Jews-fear-for-the-future.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/hungary/100... [5] http://library.fes.de/pdf-files/id-moe/09566.pdf http://library.fes.de/pdf-files/id-moe/09566.pdf

friendly_chap 13y ago
What is your point exactly? I can call your post ridicolous and link 4-5 links too but I will still lack a point!
- arkitaip 13y ago
  My point should be perfectly obvious: the people that you nauseating describe as patriots are nothing more than racists, thugs and nationalists. I've provided several different independent and credible sources to support this claim - can you do the same?
- phaer 13y ago
  Those are quite reliable sources, while you are just one person who seem to sympathize with Jobbik. If you post 5 links to (kind of) neutral sources, i'll gladly read them.
- friendly_chap 13y ago
  To the two sibling comments: In those links, please tell me, what proves that the Jobbik is a fascist party? Also, I am not a person sympathizing with Jobbik, I am first and foremost a Hungarian, who lives here. If people are murdering my family, no amount of your links will prove that they are alive and well. It's that simple.
  - icebraining 13y ago
    If people are murdering my family, no amount of your links will prove that they are alive and well. It's that simple. But you were the one claiming they aren't anti-semitic, so why should we believe it in face of the reported incidents?
    - friendly_chap 13y ago
      Why should a party be anti-semitic? Do I sleep better if the guys in Israel have a bad time? No. I wish them the best. On the other hand, if a country (be it Israel or any other) threatens my country why can't I speak up?
      - tome 13y ago
        How is Israel threatening your country?
      - icebraining 13y ago
        The incidents I read weren't related to Israel, so I'm not sure why are you bringing it up.
        phaer 13y ago
        Because he is anti-semite, in their modern form they say "...but israel!" whenever you criticize them or even question their ideology. There's a strong myth about liberals/jews being responsible for the devastating economic policies of the government in hungary. Fun fact: Most Jobbik members and sympathizers are describing themselfs as apolitical hungarians who are "just patriotic".
endriju 13y ago
I would say his post was misunderstood. There is a great deal of frustration in Eastern Europe (not only Hungary) coming from difficulties with integration of minorities (especially Roma minority) into society. Democracy didn't solve this problem nor money from EU did. Of course this topic is being misused by populists. The bad thing is that people who doesn't really care about the future of our countries take advantage of this problem for their personal power and wealth ambitions. Slovakia citizen (Hungary neighbor).

casiotone 13y ago

Should have signed this "A fascist". "It's not fascism! It's just Common Sense that Racial Group X is the real threat facing Country Y."

friendly_chap 13y ago
No racial group is a threat to my country. The leadership who intentionally creates these problems between racial groups so they can steal everything while the public is occupied with these visible problems is.

weland 13y ago

> They are being called fascist because they want to stop the current practice of paying 2000$ for Roma families for raising children, while Hungarian families get 1/20 of that for the same task, all this while the average Hungarian works for 400$ a month. In all fairness, the uniforms, the cozy media bill and all that don't help very much, either.

pessimizer 13y ago

Is that because welfare payments going towards many of the children of 5% of the population are somehow crippling the Hungarian economy, or because racial identity is strengthened by attacking minorities? Whether a Hungarian supports or is against what is happening in Hungary, they always seem to confirm what I'm seeing on TV. Go figure.