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Seems to be blaming a lot of ills of the App Store that are larger or unrelated than the top list to the top list. Rich get richer is just the nature of the bea

Seems to be blaming a lot of ills of the App Store that are larger or unrelated than the top list to the top list. Rich get richer is just the nature of the beast in capitalism. The rock bottom prices are more due to the elasticity of price of phone apps compared to many products. After all, you have prominently reported top lists for movies/games/music for decades and they certainly aren't getting cheaper. Top lists are probably not a good way to encourage quality, but they are hardly the root of the problem and they do encourage sales in a relatively dispassionate way. High quality trolling by claiming Google doesn't care if people hate Android phones, though.

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runjake 13y ago
He may be trolling, but its probably not far from the truth. Other than releasing the Android source, Google doesn't really play any part in most Android devices on the market. Further, their store is plagued with malware and shady apps that never get removed. I know because I've reported them and continue to see the same apps by the same developers on the Play Store. On the manufacturer's side, they rush out devices with subpar hardware (and hardware bugs), build, and software. And getting system updates is a game of prayer. It's important to remember that for Google, Android is a means to an end: to get people using their services and in turn get eyes on ads and gather demographic info. They aren't selling Nexus devices at cost/a loss for nothing.
- Kylekramer 13y ago
  OK? And for Apple, iOS is a means to end: to get people using their services and get their money alongside getting their money upfront. It just so happens that delivering quality experiences are a good way of achieving both Google and Apple's ends. People who hate their phones don't see as many ads as people who enjoy their phones. But, of course, we are feeding the troll.
  - schrodinger 13y ago
    I think that the point is that Google makes money regardless of whether you get an Android or an iPhone. Apple does not.
    - evilduck 13y ago
      Google was making more money from iPhone users individually due to higher engagement than Android users.
      - josephlord 13y ago
        Is this still true or was that only while Apple were paying for Google Maps?
        evilduck 13y ago
        The gap may not be as wide anymore, but I wouldn't be surprised if it still holds true. Pretty much every traffic stat report I've seen shows iOS users still account for about 75% of all mobile traffic.
- corresation 13y ago
  I started to formulate a reasoned reply, but honestly forget that: your comment is garbage through and through. Marco sounds like a bitter man about Android, as he always has been, and he has literally NOTHING to say about the platform that is worth listening to.
  - schrodinger 13y ago
    If you don't have anything nice to say...
    - corresation 13y ago
      This submission includes a completely irrelevant, baseless, nonsensical, troll slur against Google/Android by the perpetual troll Marco Arment (who is absolutely stewing that his anti-Android screeds over the years fell on deaf ears). How this trollbait garbage made it to the top of the front page is a mystery, especially given the hilariously naive, valueless observation Arment is making, which in a nutshell is "I am planning an app and want to imagine a world where only I am advantaged". Gruber is an Apple fan who is interesting. Arment is never interesting. He is a boring person.
- Ologn 13y ago
  > Further, their store is plagued with malware and shady apps that never get removed. I know because I've reported them and continue to see the same apps by the same developers on the Play Store. I often read the Reddit Android and Android developer subrredits. Sometimes someone points out some sketchy malware in a post that they reported. Maybe other people report it as well. If the app (and often the developer) are still there two hours later, that's a long time. Usually Google kills it within minutes. Usually these are fake things (say "Call of Duty for Android" by "Acme Inc.") which needs a dozen permissions and are obviously probably BS. As I said, probably multiple people are flagging the malware which people on Reddit are discussing, so maybe that is why Google responds to them but is not as responsive to your messages.
TillE 13y ago
Android has at least been trying new things, though none of them are great. And they've stuck with the same bizarre game categories that have been in place since day one. https://play.google.com/store/apps/category/GAME https://play.google.com/store/apps/category/GAME

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runjake 13y ago

He may be trolling, but its probably not far from the truth. Other than releasing the Android source, Google doesn't really play any part in most Android devices on the market. Further, their store is plagued with malware and shady apps that never get removed. I know because I've reported them and continue to see the same apps by the same developers on the Play Store. On the manufacturer's side, they rush out devices with subpar hardware (and hardware bugs), build, and software. And getting system updates is a game of prayer. It's important to remember that for Google, Android is a means to an end: to get people using their services and in turn get eyes on ads and gather demographic info. They aren't selling Nexus devices at cost/a loss for nothing.

Kylekramer 13y ago
OK? And for Apple, iOS is a means to end: to get people using their services and get their money alongside getting their money upfront. It just so happens that delivering quality experiences are a good way of achieving both Google and Apple's ends. People who hate their phones don't see as many ads as people who enjoy their phones. But, of course, we are feeding the troll.
- schrodinger 13y ago
  I think that the point is that Google makes money regardless of whether you get an Android or an iPhone. Apple does not.
  - evilduck 13y ago
    Google was making more money from iPhone users individually due to higher engagement than Android users.
    - josephlord 13y ago
      Is this still true or was that only while Apple were paying for Google Maps?
      - evilduck 13y ago
        The gap may not be as wide anymore, but I wouldn't be surprised if it still holds true. Pretty much every traffic stat report I've seen shows iOS users still account for about 75% of all mobile traffic.
corresation 13y ago
I started to formulate a reasoned reply, but honestly forget that: your comment is garbage through and through. Marco sounds like a bitter man about Android, as he always has been, and he has literally NOTHING to say about the platform that is worth listening to.
- schrodinger 13y ago
  If you don't have anything nice to say...
  - corresation 13y ago
    This submission includes a completely irrelevant, baseless, nonsensical, troll slur against Google/Android by the perpetual troll Marco Arment (who is absolutely stewing that his anti-Android screeds over the years fell on deaf ears). How this trollbait garbage made it to the top of the front page is a mystery, especially given the hilariously naive, valueless observation Arment is making, which in a nutshell is "I am planning an app and want to imagine a world where only I am advantaged". Gruber is an Apple fan who is interesting. Arment is never interesting. He is a boring person.
Ologn 13y ago
> Further, their store is plagued with malware and shady apps that never get removed. I know because I've reported them and continue to see the same apps by the same developers on the Play Store. I often read the Reddit Android and Android developer subrredits. Sometimes someone points out some sketchy malware in a post that they reported. Maybe other people report it as well. If the app (and often the developer) are still there two hours later, that's a long time. Usually Google kills it within minutes. Usually these are fake things (say "Call of Duty for Android" by "Acme Inc.") which needs a dozen permissions and are obviously probably BS. As I said, probably multiple people are flagging the malware which people on Reddit are discussing, so maybe that is why Google responds to them but is not as responsive to your messages.

TillE 13y ago

Android has at least been trying new things, though none of them are great. And they've stuck with the same bizarre game categories that have been in place since day one. https://play.google.com/store/apps/category/GAME https://play.google.com/store/apps/category/GAME