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That is an evasive answer to the question: "The US Government alleged that you gave sensitive information to the Chinese." Based on his answer, he probably did

by vph 13y ago

That is an evasive answer to the question: "The US Government alleged that you gave sensitive information to the Chinese." Based on his answer, he probably did give sensitive information to the Chinese.

Cushman 13y ago
Just for people like you: No. I have had no contact with the Chinese government. Just like with the Guardian and the Washington Post, I only work with journalists. The things you can learn if you click the link, huh?
- freyr 13y ago
  We learned that (taking him at his word), he hasn't personally handed classified information over to the Chinese government, but he has handed it over to an unknown number of journalists. Who have the journalists passed it along to, voluntarily or through coercion? We have no idea. Once it's out of his hands, Snowden himself can't know for sure.
  - Cushman 13y ago
    And? There's a huge gulf between "maybe China will find out if he leaks stuff to the public" (duh) and "maybe he's a Chinese spy." (huh?) Are we supposed to believe that Chinese intelligence has been wringing its hands for the past decade, just wishing a US whistleblower would reveal a bunch of stuff to the media so they can figure out what's going on? They do have real spies, you know. This is a smokescreen.
    - freyr 13y ago
      I didn't say he's a Chinese spy. Neither did the person asking the question ("The US Government alleged that you gave sensitive information to the Chinese.") I'm saying, he very possibly gave sensitive information to the Chinese government, perhaps inadvertently or through indiscretion. You don't have to be a Chinese spy to do that (he was actually the one who presented the false equivalence).
  - jlgreco 13y ago
    Talk about moving the goal-posts...
  - vidarh 13y ago
    That is not the reason why the "Chinese spy" thing has popped up. Of course the Chinese government is getting classified information from this: They can read newspapers at the very least. The issue here is an attempt to paint him as influenced or controlled by the Chinese in his decision to take documents, which would instantly make him reviled by a lot of people who will hail him as a hero as long as believe he did it of his own accord.
- vph 13y ago
  You don't have to be in direct contact with the Chinese government to provide them information. It is probably the case that spies do not have direct contact with the government they are spying for. He namedropped the Guardian/WashPo. Sure, I can believe that journalists from these papers aint' Chinese spies, but how about the Chinese papers that he talked. Oh, he conveniently did not mention them.

by vph 13y ago

Cushman 13y ago

Just for people like you: No. I have had no contact with the Chinese government. Just like with the Guardian and the Washington Post, I only work with journalists. The things you can learn if you click the link, huh?

freyr 13y ago
We learned that (taking him at his word), he hasn't personally handed classified information over to the Chinese government, but he has handed it over to an unknown number of journalists. Who have the journalists passed it along to, voluntarily or through coercion? We have no idea. Once it's out of his hands, Snowden himself can't know for sure.
- Cushman 13y ago
  And? There's a huge gulf between "maybe China will find out if he leaks stuff to the public" (duh) and "maybe he's a Chinese spy." (huh?) Are we supposed to believe that Chinese intelligence has been wringing its hands for the past decade, just wishing a US whistleblower would reveal a bunch of stuff to the media so they can figure out what's going on? They do have real spies, you know. This is a smokescreen.
  - freyr 13y ago
    I didn't say he's a Chinese spy. Neither did the person asking the question ("The US Government alleged that you gave sensitive information to the Chinese.") I'm saying, he very possibly gave sensitive information to the Chinese government, perhaps inadvertently or through indiscretion. You don't have to be a Chinese spy to do that (he was actually the one who presented the false equivalence).
- jlgreco 13y ago
  Talk about moving the goal-posts...
- vidarh 13y ago
  That is not the reason why the "Chinese spy" thing has popped up. Of course the Chinese government is getting classified information from this: They can read newspapers at the very least. The issue here is an attempt to paint him as influenced or controlled by the Chinese in his decision to take documents, which would instantly make him reviled by a lot of people who will hail him as a hero as long as believe he did it of his own accord.
vph 13y ago
You don't have to be in direct contact with the Chinese government to provide them information. It is probably the case that spies do not have direct contact with the government they are spying for. He namedropped the Guardian/WashPo. Sure, I can believe that journalists from these papers aint' Chinese spies, but how about the Chinese papers that he talked. Oh, he conveniently did not mention them.