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> flowing, multi-person, real-time conversations. In other words, IRC? Every "next big thing" communication medium has been trying to replicate the IRC experi

by octane 17y ago

> flowing, multi-person, real-time conversations. In other words, IRC? Every "next big thing" communication medium has been trying to replicate the IRC experience for the past 15 years. Twitter is the closest, it even has # and @ modifiers - I mean come on, this is getting pretty ridiculous. A stand-alone twitter client that shows a message from everyone that is posting to #topic and @messages directed to you? Last time I checked, that's IRC. Pretty soon all of us will get our childhood wish and everyone in the world will be on IRC.

axod 17y ago
IRC? The next big thing? Who would have thought :/ >> "Last time I checked, that's IRC." The difference is, IRC can scale really well. IRC has worked out how to deal with spam, abuse, botnets, etc etc. You can have moderated, password protected channels, user levels, kicks, bans etc etc. It'd take the 'social stream' thingys a while to replicate that functionality, and the question would be 'why rebuild it?'. FWIW, I really do believe we'll see a massive resurgence of real time chat this year and next. It's amazing to look back at just now big it was. Even the BBC ran an IRC server and had regular chats about programs etc. Then they shut everything down and moved to moderated message boards - which suck in terms of user experience. Since then people have had to try and emulate the experience places like twitter. which results in, again, a bad user experience. We'll be back to live chat on the web soon enough though.
- lnorvig 17y ago
  "massive resurgence of real time chat this year" ... watch omegle. kind of ridiculous concept but usage is spreading virally.
rms 17y ago
Have you used Friendfeed? It is what Twitter should be and it has the benefits of IRC with an order of magnitude more practicality. Unfortunately I almost never use Friendfeed; all of my friends are on Facebook.
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paul 17y ago
And blogging is basically just a .plan file...
- alphazero 17y ago
  Come on Paul. IM is hardly ancient geek history.
  - lacker 17y ago
    IM and IRC are fundamentally different from twitter and friendfeed, because twitter and friendfeed have home pages with content. Deciding what goes on the home page is key functionality that wasn't in IM or IRC.
    - likpok 17y ago
      Some IM protocols allowed one to set up some info which is public and supposed to act as a bio. This content could be some form of HTML, which is more than anything twitter supports (i.e, it let you do the styling, much to the detriment of others).
  - paul 17y ago
    My point is not that they are the same, but that details matter a lot, and that just because there are parallels between two things, it does not make them the same thing. My .plan example was not made up -- that was an actual criticism from the early days of blogging (according to Jason Shellen, who was part of Blogger).
    - alphazero 17y ago
      (Just read Jason's piece the other day, actually. You can't leave comments on a .plan ...) I agree that details matter a great deal. In any event, the comment specifically questioned the temporal aspects of the analogy. Wishing you success in your endeavors.
- nostrademons 17y ago
  FWIW, the Amherst internal blogging/social-network site is called "planWorld", and it quite literally grew out of .plan files. Around 1999, someone decided it would be a good idea to have them be readable over the web, and so they hacked up a PHP app to expose people's .plans on a web interface. Eventually it grew the ability to post, to check who's been viewing your plan, to style things, to send private messages, and to have group conversations, but the terminology is still "finger" and "plan" and "whois". Until recently, it was also possible to go the other way: you could finger jdtang05@note.amherst.edu and it would show you what I'd most recently posted through the web interface. But planWorld recently moved to a newer server which isn't running fingerd, so that functionality has disappeared.
mrtron 17y ago
If you like IRC, you will like Chatterous. It is like IRC where you can get msgs by SMS/IM/email/etc
- octane 17y ago
  > It is like IRC where you can get msgs by SMS/IM/email/etc So in other words it's not like IRC at all.
  - mrtron 17y ago
    No, IRC is fundamentally about the channel structure. Additionally people have used an assortment of clients to receive messages including local apps, web based, etc. It isn't about how you receive the message, its the structure of how people are organized to chat.
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by octane 17y ago

axod 17y ago

IRC? The next big thing? Who would have thought :/ >> "Last time I checked, that's IRC." The difference is, IRC can scale really well. IRC has worked out how to deal with spam, abuse, botnets, etc etc. You can have moderated, password protected channels, user levels, kicks, bans etc etc. It'd take the 'social stream' thingys a while to replicate that functionality, and the question would be 'why rebuild it?'. FWIW, I really do believe we'll see a massive resurgence of real time chat this year and next. It's amazing to look back at just now big it was. Even the BBC ran an IRC server and had regular chats about programs etc. Then they shut everything down and moved to moderated message boards - which suck in terms of user experience. Since then people have had to try and emulate the experience places like twitter. which results in, again, a bad user experience. We'll be back to live chat on the web soon enough though.

lnorvig 17y ago
"massive resurgence of real time chat this year" ... watch omegle. kind of ridiculous concept but usage is spreading virally.

rms 17y ago

Have you used Friendfeed? It is what Twitter should be and it has the benefits of IRC with an order of magnitude more practicality. Unfortunately I almost never use Friendfeed; all of my friends are on Facebook.

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paul 17y ago

And blogging is basically just a .plan file...

alphazero 17y ago
Come on Paul. IM is hardly ancient geek history.
- lacker 17y ago
  IM and IRC are fundamentally different from twitter and friendfeed, because twitter and friendfeed have home pages with content. Deciding what goes on the home page is key functionality that wasn't in IM or IRC.
  - likpok 17y ago
    Some IM protocols allowed one to set up some info which is public and supposed to act as a bio. This content could be some form of HTML, which is more than anything twitter supports (i.e, it let you do the styling, much to the detriment of others).
- paul 17y ago
  My point is not that they are the same, but that details matter a lot, and that just because there are parallels between two things, it does not make them the same thing. My .plan example was not made up -- that was an actual criticism from the early days of blogging (according to Jason Shellen, who was part of Blogger).
  - alphazero 17y ago
    (Just read Jason's piece the other day, actually. You can't leave comments on a .plan ...) I agree that details matter a great deal. In any event, the comment specifically questioned the temporal aspects of the analogy. Wishing you success in your endeavors.
nostrademons 17y ago
FWIW, the Amherst internal blogging/social-network site is called "planWorld", and it quite literally grew out of .plan files. Around 1999, someone decided it would be a good idea to have them be readable over the web, and so they hacked up a PHP app to expose people's .plans on a web interface. Eventually it grew the ability to post, to check who's been viewing your plan, to style things, to send private messages, and to have group conversations, but the terminology is still "finger" and "plan" and "whois". Until recently, it was also possible to go the other way: you could finger jdtang05@note.amherst.edu and it would show you what I'd most recently posted through the web interface. But planWorld recently moved to a newer server which isn't running fingerd, so that functionality has disappeared.

mrtron 17y ago

If you like IRC, you will like Chatterous. It is like IRC where you can get msgs by SMS/IM/email/etc

octane 17y ago
> It is like IRC where you can get msgs by SMS/IM/email/etc So in other words it's not like IRC at all.
- mrtron 17y ago
  No, IRC is fundamentally about the channel structure. Additionally people have used an assortment of clients to receive messages including local apps, web based, etc. It isn't about how you receive the message, its the structure of how people are organized to chat.

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