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I wonder if we'll see a fracturing of the Internet. I live in Switzerland and I am already seeing reports in the news of companies moving/expanding data centers

I wonder if we'll see a fracturing of the Internet. I live in Switzerland and I am already seeing reports in the news of companies moving/expanding data centers here. As someone that lives in Europe (but not EU thankfully) I will try to avoid sending too much info to the u.s. yes, I know it's ironic that I'm posting this on a u.s. site.

chris_engel 13y ago
And whats exactly the reason for the side blow against the EU? Oo
- akiselev 13y ago
  Most of the EU countries are in cahoots with the NSA (reportedly to get around pesky legal restrictions on domestic spying; don't remember if this was media speculation or shown to be true). Wouldn't be surprised if Switzerland is too.
  - yuhong 13y ago
    Yea, it is unfortunate that the Constitution and similar were designed before it was easy to spy on other countries's communications.
    - asperous 13y ago
      The Constitution has built-in provisions for future modifications, i.e. the Fourth amendment.
      - akiselev 13y ago
        And yet, not a single amendment has been enacted through an Article V Convention.
  - _k 13y ago
    It's certainly true for Belgium.
  - DanBC 13y ago
    Confusingly the EU has supposedly strong laws about exporting private data outside the EU. ECHELON report from EU parliament showed that 5 countries (UK, US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand) were part of ECHELON and gave lists to each other as a way to avoid laws about spying on their own citizens. That EU parliament report is very old now (pre 9/11) and there are a bunch of more recent laws that probably exempt GCHQ and others from these laws. But I could be wrong; I haven't kept up; and I welcome corrections. I have no idea what parts of RIPA (regulation of investigatory powers act, UK law) are enacted or not, and what exemptions it has for GCHQ.
    - akiselev 13y ago
      Yeah I was way over reaching. I've given up on following the exact details of the NSA revelations and now I'm just enjoying the ride. It's probably safe to just assume from now on that I'm always being spied on and that I should stop looking at nuclear space propulsion papers.
- speeq 13y ago
  > "Directive 2006/24/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 15 March 2006 on the retention of data generated or processed in connection with the provision of publicly available electronic communications services or of public communications networks and amending Directive 2002/58/EC" > According to the directive, member states will have to store citizens' telecommunications data for six to 24 months stipulating a maximum time period. Under the directive the police and security agencies will be able to request access to details such as IP address and time of use of every email, phone call and text message sent or received. A permission to access the information will be granted only by a court. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Retention_Directive http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Retention_Directive
peterjancelis 13y ago
I find your user name more ironic than you posting this on a U.S. site.
- prollyignored 13y ago
  American toilet paper is the best !

chris_engel 13y ago

And whats exactly the reason for the side blow against the EU? Oo

akiselev 13y ago
Most of the EU countries are in cahoots with the NSA (reportedly to get around pesky legal restrictions on domestic spying; don't remember if this was media speculation or shown to be true). Wouldn't be surprised if Switzerland is too.
- yuhong 13y ago
  Yea, it is unfortunate that the Constitution and similar were designed before it was easy to spy on other countries's communications.
  - asperous 13y ago
    The Constitution has built-in provisions for future modifications, i.e. the Fourth amendment.
    - akiselev 13y ago
      And yet, not a single amendment has been enacted through an Article V Convention.
- _k 13y ago
  It's certainly true for Belgium.
- DanBC 13y ago
  Confusingly the EU has supposedly strong laws about exporting private data outside the EU. ECHELON report from EU parliament showed that 5 countries (UK, US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand) were part of ECHELON and gave lists to each other as a way to avoid laws about spying on their own citizens. That EU parliament report is very old now (pre 9/11) and there are a bunch of more recent laws that probably exempt GCHQ and others from these laws. But I could be wrong; I haven't kept up; and I welcome corrections. I have no idea what parts of RIPA (regulation of investigatory powers act, UK law) are enacted or not, and what exemptions it has for GCHQ.
  - akiselev 13y ago
    Yeah I was way over reaching. I've given up on following the exact details of the NSA revelations and now I'm just enjoying the ride. It's probably safe to just assume from now on that I'm always being spied on and that I should stop looking at nuclear space propulsion papers.
speeq 13y ago
> "Directive 2006/24/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 15 March 2006 on the retention of data generated or processed in connection with the provision of publicly available electronic communications services or of public communications networks and amending Directive 2002/58/EC" > According to the directive, member states will have to store citizens' telecommunications data for six to 24 months stipulating a maximum time period. Under the directive the police and security agencies will be able to request access to details such as IP address and time of use of every email, phone call and text message sent or received. A permission to access the information will be granted only by a court. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Retention_Directive http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Retention_Directive

peterjancelis 13y ago

I find your user name more ironic than you posting this on a U.S. site.

prollyignored 13y ago
American toilet paper is the best !