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China Dissident Says He’s Being Forced From N.Y.U.

97 points by teawithcarl 13y ago

teawithcarl 13y ago
Chen Guangcheng is one of the purest souls on earth, like Mandela. Many people I know in China are close friends with him. The CCP govt in China has put pressure on NYU, to cancel the visas of professors at NYU Shanghai. (Many US universities are expanding into China with mainland campuses currently). Guangcheng is simply telling the world about the dirty tactics China deploys relentlessly. It's not selfish on his part - he doesn't have a selfish bone in his body. Indeed, he risks even more of his family getting jailed/hurt in China by revealing this news.
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- mynameishere 13y ago
  Mandela Mandela was a terrorist. You weren't aware of this?
GigabyteCoin 13y ago
If what I'm reading is true, I am absolutely disgusted and appalled. This article reinforces the fact that post secondary academic institutions are 100% business oriented and makes me glad that they didn't get more than a year's worth of tuition money out of me.
- makeset 13y ago
  NYU is more a real estate company than a post-secondary academic institution. Lacking an Ivy-level endowment, a lot of their efforts are centered around (and much of their revenue comes from) acquiring and redeveloping real estate in downtown Manhattan and renting it out as dorm space to sheltered undergraduates at exorbitant rates. What recognition they may have cultivated in recent years is also largely due to the name and the location, which they try to bolster with their ever-expanding array of purple-flagged dorm buildings around the city. Now that they have similar interests in Shanghai, how is any of this surprising?
  - jrockway 13y ago
    If you think what NYU charges for dorm accommodations is ridiculous, wait until you see how expensive the rest of Manhattan is.
    - achompas 13y ago
      When I was shopping for apartments before my Masters program, NYU charged more for dorms than many available apartments in South Village.
      - jrs99 13y ago
        included in dorms are water, heat, cable, internet and even toilet paper, light bulbs, furniture.
      - znowi 13y ago
        How much?
    - makeset 13y ago
      I live in the Village. NYU charges above-market prices per sq.ft. compared to Craig's List room rates. They can, because parents are willing to pay for the security of a school dorm vs. a random building with random roommates in the big city.
      - jrockway 13y ago
        A market consists of identical goods. If what NYU provides isn't identical to the surrounding housing, it's unfair to compare its pricing to that of the surrounding housing. It's like saying that oranges are "above market" compared to apples.
      - snogglethorpe 13y ago
        > NYU charges above-market prices per sq.ft. compared to Craig's List room rates Of course, every university I've ever seen the prices for does the same thing. Dorms (and other university housing) are not cheap. It's a fairly captive market (in many cases students are required to live in dorms when they're freshmen, and when not, they often aren't in a good position to search for housing) and they have a premium product by many measures (typically because dorms are much closer to the rest of the university, and most people you know also live there...). Most people I knew who moved off-campus when I was in university did so to save money; despite sometimes roomier accommodation, it's almost always much farther away, and often quite a bit nastier (slumlords catering to poor students are legion)...
- zmitri 13y ago
  What's become a little more clear from this article to me, is that many big US schools are actively pursuing expansion because of all the students from China willing to pay full tuition and still value having a degree. Who knows what kinds of deals they are going to need to make with China to keep these relationships up. I also wonder, are Americans making these deals directly, or do they hire people in China who are used to dealing with the Chinese gov't?
o0-0o 13y ago
This is just for his own safety /sarc.
outside1234 13y ago
anything for the grant dollars!
kenster07 13y ago
Lots of China-related articles being posted to HN today, from a non-hacker publication.
- blueag 13y ago
  There is definitely a voting ring for NYT. They are pushing hard to vote up their articles here. I usually just tune them out as low quality materials.
United857 13y ago
From the article: "The university insists that Mr. Chen’s law school fellowship was always meant to be for one year, and those who have worked closely with him in recent months said he understood the time limitations of a financial arrangement that even Mr. Chen acknowledged was extremely generous. The fellowship’s end, Mr. Beckman said, “had nothing to do with the Chinese government — all fellowships come to an end.” It was a fellowship with a finite duration set out beforehand. Not apologizing for the PRC government but this smacks of journalistic sensationalism about nothing.
- mathattack 13y ago
  Indeed, the school has no obligation to house someone on a fellowship indefinitely. Let another school pick up the tab for the year, and get the positive PR that comes with it. If he's worth it, someone else will help.
jrockway 13y ago
I'm guessing the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Yes, his fellowship expires in 1 year. And yes, it's easier for NYU to expand into China if they let it expire. I'm going to speculate that if he was on the tenure track, he wouldn't be let go over this, however. But since his contract is conveniently expiring, it doesn't make much sense to suffer any financial inconvenience for him.

97 points by teawithcarl 13y ago

Chen Guangcheng is one of the purest souls on earth, like Mandela. Many people I know in China are close friends with him. The CCP govt in China has put pressure on NYU, to cancel the visas of professors at NYU Shanghai. (Many US universities are expanding into China with mainland campuses currently). Guangcheng is simply telling the world about the dirty tactics China deploys relentlessly. It's not selfish on his part - he doesn't have a selfish bone in his body. Indeed, he risks even more of his family getting jailed/hurt in China by revealing this news.

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mynameishere 13y ago
Mandela Mandela was a terrorist. You weren't aware of this?

GigabyteCoin 13y ago

If what I'm reading is true, I am absolutely disgusted and appalled. This article reinforces the fact that post secondary academic institutions are 100% business oriented and makes me glad that they didn't get more than a year's worth of tuition money out of me.

makeset 13y ago
NYU is more a real estate company than a post-secondary academic institution. Lacking an Ivy-level endowment, a lot of their efforts are centered around (and much of their revenue comes from) acquiring and redeveloping real estate in downtown Manhattan and renting it out as dorm space to sheltered undergraduates at exorbitant rates. What recognition they may have cultivated in recent years is also largely due to the name and the location, which they try to bolster with their ever-expanding array of purple-flagged dorm buildings around the city. Now that they have similar interests in Shanghai, how is any of this surprising?
- jrockway 13y ago
  If you think what NYU charges for dorm accommodations is ridiculous, wait until you see how expensive the rest of Manhattan is.
  - achompas 13y ago
    When I was shopping for apartments before my Masters program, NYU charged more for dorms than many available apartments in South Village.
    - jrs99 13y ago
      included in dorms are water, heat, cable, internet and even toilet paper, light bulbs, furniture.
    - znowi 13y ago
      How much?
  - makeset 13y ago
    I live in the Village. NYU charges above-market prices per sq.ft. compared to Craig's List room rates. They can, because parents are willing to pay for the security of a school dorm vs. a random building with random roommates in the big city.
    - jrockway 13y ago
      A market consists of identical goods. If what NYU provides isn't identical to the surrounding housing, it's unfair to compare its pricing to that of the surrounding housing. It's like saying that oranges are "above market" compared to apples.
    - snogglethorpe 13y ago
      > NYU charges above-market prices per sq.ft. compared to Craig's List room rates Of course, every university I've ever seen the prices for does the same thing. Dorms (and other university housing) are not cheap. It's a fairly captive market (in many cases students are required to live in dorms when they're freshmen, and when not, they often aren't in a good position to search for housing) and they have a premium product by many measures (typically because dorms are much closer to the rest of the university, and most people you know also live there...). Most people I knew who moved off-campus when I was in university did so to save money; despite sometimes roomier accommodation, it's almost always much farther away, and often quite a bit nastier (slumlords catering to poor students are legion)...
zmitri 13y ago
What's become a little more clear from this article to me, is that many big US schools are actively pursuing expansion because of all the students from China willing to pay full tuition and still value having a degree. Who knows what kinds of deals they are going to need to make with China to keep these relationships up. I also wonder, are Americans making these deals directly, or do they hire people in China who are used to dealing with the Chinese gov't?

o0-0o 13y ago

This is just for his own safety /sarc.

outside1234 13y ago

anything for the grant dollars!

kenster07 13y ago

Lots of China-related articles being posted to HN today, from a non-hacker publication.

blueag 13y ago
There is definitely a voting ring for NYT. They are pushing hard to vote up their articles here. I usually just tune them out as low quality materials.

United857 13y ago

From the article: "The university insists that Mr. Chen’s law school fellowship was always meant to be for one year, and those who have worked closely with him in recent months said he understood the time limitations of a financial arrangement that even Mr. Chen acknowledged was extremely generous. The fellowship’s end, Mr. Beckman said, “had nothing to do with the Chinese government — all fellowships come to an end.” It was a fellowship with a finite duration set out beforehand. Not apologizing for the PRC government but this smacks of journalistic sensationalism about nothing.

mathattack 13y ago
Indeed, the school has no obligation to house someone on a fellowship indefinitely. Let another school pick up the tab for the year, and get the positive PR that comes with it. If he's worth it, someone else will help.

jrockway 13y ago

I'm guessing the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Yes, his fellowship expires in 1 year. And yes, it's easier for NYU to expand into China if they let it expire. I'm going to speculate that if he was on the tenure track, he wouldn't be let go over this, however. But since his contract is conveniently expiring, it doesn't make much sense to suffer any financial inconvenience for him.