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Is that stuff hardware from Lenovo? I am not familiar with any of it but briefly googling it, it does not seem to be. I think you might be misunderstanding th

by jlgreco 13y ago

Is that stuff hardware from Lenovo? I am not familiar with any of it but briefly googling it, it does not seem to be. I think you might be misunderstanding the claim that is being made.

coldtea 13y ago
Huh? The claim was just that Linux has good working drivers for the standard Lenovo parts? Trackpad, monitor, GPU, HD controller, sleep/wake-up, etc? That's barebones basic stuff. Of course that should work out of the box... It's all the other stuff driver-wise that matters...
- jlgreco 13y ago
  That is the claim, and support for that is often claimed to be lacking. The point is that this is false. I don't think anybody has ever claimed that linux has good support for specialist multi-media hardware.
- rosser 13y ago
  Yes, that was the claim. The parallel to your argument is that people should blame Apple for random third-party hardware not working out of the box with OSX.
  - coldtea 13y ago
    >The parallel to your argument is that people should blame Apple for random third-party hardware not working out of the box with OSX. No they shouldn't blame Apple. But they should give minus points to OS X for "compatibility" when "random third-party hardware does not work out of the box" with it. And similarly: they should not "blame" Linux for "random third-party hardware not working out of the box" with it, but they should give minus points to Linux in the compatibility department.
- sangnoir 13y ago
  You seem to be contradicting yourself, earlier, you said "And yet, Linux doesn't have all that great driver support ..."
  - coldtea 13y ago
    Where's the contradiction? Having working trackpad, monitor, fan control, sleep/wake montherboard, soundcard, etc is not "great driver support" -- it's the bare essentials people should expect OUT OF THE BOX. Support for third party stuff is what makes for "great driver support".

by jlgreco 13y ago

Is that stuff hardware from Lenovo? I am not familiar with any of it but briefly googling it, it does not seem to be. I think you might be misunderstanding the claim that is being made.

coldtea 13y ago

Huh? The claim was just that Linux has good working drivers for the standard Lenovo parts? Trackpad, monitor, GPU, HD controller, sleep/wake-up, etc? That's barebones basic stuff. Of course that should work out of the box... It's all the other stuff driver-wise that matters...

jlgreco 13y ago
That is the claim, and support for that is often claimed to be lacking. The point is that this is false. I don't think anybody has ever claimed that linux has good support for specialist multi-media hardware.
rosser 13y ago
Yes, that was the claim. The parallel to your argument is that people should blame Apple for random third-party hardware not working out of the box with OSX.
- coldtea 13y ago
  >The parallel to your argument is that people should blame Apple for random third-party hardware not working out of the box with OSX. No they shouldn't blame Apple. But they should give minus points to OS X for "compatibility" when "random third-party hardware does not work out of the box" with it. And similarly: they should not "blame" Linux for "random third-party hardware not working out of the box" with it, but they should give minus points to Linux in the compatibility department.
sangnoir 13y ago
You seem to be contradicting yourself, earlier, you said "And yet, Linux doesn't have all that great driver support ..."
- coldtea 13y ago
  Where's the contradiction? Having working trackpad, monitor, fan control, sleep/wake montherboard, soundcard, etc is not "great driver support" -- it's the bare essentials people should expect OUT OF THE BOX. Support for third party stuff is what makes for "great driver support".