3 ms·

The only way to protect yourself, is to force politics, to stop the sniffing now and to delete all the previously gathered data. There is no technical solution,

The only way to protect yourself, is to force politics, to stop the sniffing now and to delete all the previously gathered data. There is no technical solution, only a political one.

alan_cx 13y ago
Damn right. The worry has to be the data they have on us from the past. We now know to be careful, so presumably those wanting to be careful, will be. I now don't care what they do from now on. The key thing is that I am now 100% sure the internet and electronic comms are insecure. If I need to be secure, I'll find other ways to communicate, or do all I can to lower the risk, act accordingly, and accept the risk. But what I do want, as a non terrorist/pedophile/bogyman, is all the data they have that relates to me to be purged. Wont happen.
mpyne 13y ago
And then in 5 years, when the program rises from the dead only with a different name and a more closely-screened cadre of analysts, what then? I hate to say it but what you're saying is like telling a 17-year-old that the only way to protect themself from STD/pregnancy is to never have sex. I mean, you're right, but you're also failing to cope with the reality of the situation. ;)
- lignuist 13y ago
  Well, before enough people are telling their governments to stop surveillance, it needs to be a strong matter of public interest. The same applies for a broad application of any technical solution. At the end we probably need both, the public constantly controlling politics and technical solutions to make surveillance generally harder, but it all requires the public interest reaching at least the critical mass. If 99% of people didn't want surveillance, then governments would have virtually no chance to install it, but at the moment many people think surveillance is good for them.
Zigurd 13y ago
The week before the Snowden story broke, the news was full of foreign spying against US industry and government. How is changing our laws going to stop that?

The only way to protect yourself, is to force politics, to stop the sniffing now and to delete all the previously gathered data. There is no technical solution, only a political one.

alan_cx 13y ago

Damn right. The worry has to be the data they have on us from the past. We now know to be careful, so presumably those wanting to be careful, will be. I now don't care what they do from now on. The key thing is that I am now 100% sure the internet and electronic comms are insecure. If I need to be secure, I'll find other ways to communicate, or do all I can to lower the risk, act accordingly, and accept the risk. But what I do want, as a non terrorist/pedophile/bogyman, is all the data they have that relates to me to be purged. Wont happen.

mpyne 13y ago

And then in 5 years, when the program rises from the dead only with a different name and a more closely-screened cadre of analysts, what then? I hate to say it but what you're saying is like telling a 17-year-old that the only way to protect themself from STD/pregnancy is to never have sex. I mean, you're right, but you're also failing to cope with the reality of the situation. ;)

lignuist 13y ago
Well, before enough people are telling their governments to stop surveillance, it needs to be a strong matter of public interest. The same applies for a broad application of any technical solution. At the end we probably need both, the public constantly controlling politics and technical solutions to make surveillance generally harder, but it all requires the public interest reaching at least the critical mass. If 99% of people didn't want surveillance, then governments would have virtually no chance to install it, but at the moment many people think surveillance is good for them.

Zigurd 13y ago

The week before the Snowden story broke, the news was full of foreign spying against US industry and government. How is changing our laws going to stop that?