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So did Obama blatantly lie to us in his statement, or is he not aware what's going on? I have to think, if they admitted it to Congress, Obama had to know.

javert 13y ago
Either way, he's failed in his duty.
tptacek 13y ago
He said they weren't listening in on calls from Americans, not that they couldn't.
- uptown 13y ago
  “The National Security Agency does not listen to Americans’ phone calls and it is not reading Americans’ emails. None of these programs allow that,” -Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., chair of the House Intelligence Committee. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/06/intelligence-committee-leaders-defend-nsa-surveillance/ http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/06/intelligence-co...
  - tptacek 13y ago
    It is possible for that to be true, too: that to the best of anyone's knowledge, even though NSA retains the capability to listen to arbitrary calls, it has used that capability only in instances where they are reasonably certain that the calls weren't from Americans. (Although half the site seems to think I'm an NSA supporter, here I'll again make it clear that the telco access NSA seems to have is an extremely bad thing.)
    - uptown 13y ago
      How about this one ... keyword: "in the United States" which I guess means that it's either a lie, or they capture data outside the United States. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYNXVgYhPOc&feature=youtu.be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYNXVgYhPOc&feature=youtu.be
- spikels 13y ago
  This really is becoming like 1984. First we had a president arguing about the meaning of "is". Next we get the the DIA lying to Congress say "No" when the truth was "Yes" and then when caught explaining he answered in the "least untruthful manner". Now when our president says [1]: "nobody is listening to your telephone calls" "if the intelligence community then actually wants to listen to a phone call, they’ve got to go back to a federal judge" "nobody’s listening to the content of people’s phone calls" "do not involve listening to people’s phone calls, do not involve reading the emails of U.S. citizens or U.S. residents, absent further action by a federal court" It actually means this [2]: "If the NSA wants 'to listen to the phone,' an analyst's decision is sufficient, without any other legal authorization required" [1] http://stream.wsj.com/story/latest-headlines/SS-2-63399/SS-2-248480/ http://stream.wsj.com/story/latest-headlines/SS-2-63399/SS-2... [2] http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57589495-38/nsa-admits-listening-to-u.s-phone-calls-without-warrants/ http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57589495-38/nsa-admits-lis...

javert 13y ago

Either way, he's failed in his duty.

tptacek 13y ago

He said they weren't listening in on calls from Americans, not that they couldn't.

uptown 13y ago
“The National Security Agency does not listen to Americans’ phone calls and it is not reading Americans’ emails. None of these programs allow that,” -Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., chair of the House Intelligence Committee. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/06/intelligence-committee-leaders-defend-nsa-surveillance/ http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/06/intelligence-co...
- tptacek 13y ago
  It is possible for that to be true, too: that to the best of anyone's knowledge, even though NSA retains the capability to listen to arbitrary calls, it has used that capability only in instances where they are reasonably certain that the calls weren't from Americans. (Although half the site seems to think I'm an NSA supporter, here I'll again make it clear that the telco access NSA seems to have is an extremely bad thing.)
  - uptown 13y ago
    How about this one ... keyword: "in the United States" which I guess means that it's either a lie, or they capture data outside the United States. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYNXVgYhPOc&feature=youtu.be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYNXVgYhPOc&feature=youtu.be
spikels 13y ago
This really is becoming like 1984. First we had a president arguing about the meaning of "is". Next we get the the DIA lying to Congress say "No" when the truth was "Yes" and then when caught explaining he answered in the "least untruthful manner". Now when our president says [1]: "nobody is listening to your telephone calls" "if the intelligence community then actually wants to listen to a phone call, they’ve got to go back to a federal judge" "nobody’s listening to the content of people’s phone calls" "do not involve listening to people’s phone calls, do not involve reading the emails of U.S. citizens or U.S. residents, absent further action by a federal court" It actually means this [2]: "If the NSA wants 'to listen to the phone,' an analyst's decision is sufficient, without any other legal authorization required" [1] http://stream.wsj.com/story/latest-headlines/SS-2-63399/SS-2-248480/ http://stream.wsj.com/story/latest-headlines/SS-2-63399/SS-2... [2] http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57589495-38/nsa-admits-listening-to-u.s-phone-calls-without-warrants/ http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57589495-38/nsa-admits-lis...