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That's funny, I've got a VM of OSX that I keep around for...actually not sure why I still have it, but it's there, taking up 10-odd gigs of disk space. However

That's funny, I've got a VM of OSX that I keep around for...actually not sure why I still have it, but it's there, taking up 10-odd gigs of disk space. However, agreed, for the general user, Macs are a great call. "There's a "feel good" euphoria that occurs in an intellectually superior sort of way when you install linux" Actually, as a programmer, the euphoria is more in shedding over priced hardware with application crashing spinning beach balls and a cluster f*ck of layered windows for a PC (of your choosing) with a Linux distro (of your choosing) with/without a Desktop Environment (of your choosing) and Window Manager (of your choosing). The notion that shit is all broken in Linux and a bed of roses in OSX is nonsense. Spent 3 years on OSX, was great at first, but over time I grew to detest: iTunes, that spinning beach ball (bullshit, it just works, my a$$), flaky VPN, Finder, layers upon layers of non-maximizable windows and the Mickey Mouse-reliant interface in general.

dylangs1030 13y ago
I wasn't trying to imply OS X or Windows are a "bed of roses" - frankly, they're not. I agree with you that the euphoria comes with freedom of a linux distribution. That sentence was a bit of dry humor on my part. But my point still stands, and it's not black and white. Windows and OS X aren't perfect at all despite being proprietary, and linux isn't terrible for being so open. In fact, I'd recommend every programmer be comfortable with linux and navigating the more complex advantages it presents, especially server-side. But I really can't honestly say it's more convenient, or that the software you run on linux will typically be as well-designed and as useful as a proprietary system. It just isn't. And that's okay, but it's a self-perpetuating cycle because people don't want to break into linux and make it better without higher benefits and salaries, but those won't come without associating linux with quality, open software (and getting past the whole non-profit issue).
coldtea 13y ago
>The notion that shit is all broken in Linux and a bed of roses in OSX is nonsense. No. Stuff just works 80% good in OS X and 60% good in Linux. And there's stuff like video editing, audio editing, multimedia work, etc, that works 90% good in OS X and 20% in Linux. On the other hand, on the CLI, Linux works 95% and OS X works 60%. The numbers are pulled out of my ass, but are what I subjective feel as a long time UNIX (Sun OS, HPUX), Windows (3.1, 95, 98, ME, XP, 7), Linux (RedHat 5.2 IIRC, Mandrake, Debian 3+, now Ubuntu and Centos 6.x) and OS X (10.3 onwards) user. So that's that. And don't get me started with the continuous move to different libs, infrastructure changes underneath, multimedia frameworks, general brokeness and projects that start with high hopes only to be abandoned after 1 year, Gnome 3 and KDE 4, etc etc.
- virtualwhys 13y ago
  Wouldn't expect much of a modern desktop experience from RedHat or CentOS, and Debian isn't exactly up-to-speed either: Stonehenge for stability ;-) Not a problem, for the multimedia deficiencies you mention, Windows VM does the trick here, and no need for dual boot (although I have that as well to flash BIOS or do other Windows required hardware mod'ing). Of course, if you're a musician, video editor, or designer, you'd be more inclined to work on a Mac anyway (or perhaps PC/Windows) -- Linux would be the last choice more than likely. I agree completely that Gnome 3 is far from a joy; it's pushing me toward a DE-less stack actually.

dylangs1030 13y ago

I wasn't trying to imply OS X or Windows are a "bed of roses" - frankly, they're not. I agree with you that the euphoria comes with freedom of a linux distribution. That sentence was a bit of dry humor on my part. But my point still stands, and it's not black and white. Windows and OS X aren't perfect at all despite being proprietary, and linux isn't terrible for being so open. In fact, I'd recommend every programmer be comfortable with linux and navigating the more complex advantages it presents, especially server-side. But I really can't honestly say it's more convenient, or that the software you run on linux will typically be as well-designed and as useful as a proprietary system. It just isn't. And that's okay, but it's a self-perpetuating cycle because people don't want to break into linux and make it better without higher benefits and salaries, but those won't come without associating linux with quality, open software (and getting past the whole non-profit issue).

coldtea 13y ago

>The notion that shit is all broken in Linux and a bed of roses in OSX is nonsense. No. Stuff just works 80% good in OS X and 60% good in Linux. And there's stuff like video editing, audio editing, multimedia work, etc, that works 90% good in OS X and 20% in Linux. On the other hand, on the CLI, Linux works 95% and OS X works 60%. The numbers are pulled out of my ass, but are what I subjective feel as a long time UNIX (Sun OS, HPUX), Windows (3.1, 95, 98, ME, XP, 7), Linux (RedHat 5.2 IIRC, Mandrake, Debian 3+, now Ubuntu and Centos 6.x) and OS X (10.3 onwards) user. So that's that. And don't get me started with the continuous move to different libs, infrastructure changes underneath, multimedia frameworks, general brokeness and projects that start with high hopes only to be abandoned after 1 year, Gnome 3 and KDE 4, etc etc.

virtualwhys 13y ago
Wouldn't expect much of a modern desktop experience from RedHat or CentOS, and Debian isn't exactly up-to-speed either: Stonehenge for stability ;-) Not a problem, for the multimedia deficiencies you mention, Windows VM does the trick here, and no need for dual boot (although I have that as well to flash BIOS or do other Windows required hardware mod'ing). Of course, if you're a musician, video editor, or designer, you'd be more inclined to work on a Mac anyway (or perhaps PC/Windows) -- Linux would be the last choice more than likely. I agree completely that Gnome 3 is far from a joy; it's pushing me toward a DE-less stack actually.