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Tangent or not I'm interested. I think its less settled than you think. In fact I was always on the opposite team; its "NSA/DoD/DoE did x" just like it is "IBM
by dfc 13y ago
Tangent or not I'm interested. I think its less settled than you think. In fact I was always on the opposite team; its "NSA/DoD/DoE did x" just like it is "IBM did x" and not "the IBM did x."
I did enough research to conclude that it was not a settled issue. Its clear that if the initials were lower case and referred to a generic agency that deals with national security it would be "the national security agency" similar to the "the fishing tackle section of a sporting goods store." On the other hand a gander at DoD's style guide[1] makes it clear that they do not like the "the."
I'd love to see why you think its opposite. That's not dickish, that's a desire to answer a question that's been nagging me for a long time.
[1] http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/writing/Writing_Style_Guide.pdf http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/writing/Writing_St...
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- hga 13y agoMaybe it is clearer if we note this as proper usage: "the IBM corporation." Similarly, "the Department of Defense", "the National Security Agency".
- dfc 13y agoFrankly that does not make it any clearer to me. Which could be because I am bad at the nitty gritty of english syntax. But most importantly, with all due respect you are not Strunk and White. I am looking to a clear definitive reference and in the future I cant say "I know it is written this way because hga said so."
- hga 13y agoWell, you can start here for a well referenced treatment of these nouns: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proper_noun http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proper_noun
- dfc 13y agoThe reason your comment did little to clear things up is because it relied on spelling the agencies/organizations names out. It is clear that the rules change for acronyms and abbreviations.
- rdl 13y agoDoD vs. DOD is a big enough debate :)