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If we were honest and classified President Obama objectively based on his actions alone, we'd label him a neoconservative corporatist in the same vein as Cheney
by cpursley 13y ago
If we were honest and classified President Obama objectively based on his actions alone, we'd label him a neoconservative corporatist in the same vein as Cheney. It's painful, especially after Bush. The truth hurts.
- university 13y agoBut exponentially more charismatic to the general public, which means he will run the ball down the field further than Cheney ever could. Look out.
- pvnick 13y agoApparently the CIA agrees with you: http://www.salon.com/2010/03/27/wikileaks/ http://www.salon.com/2010/03/27/wikileaks/ From TFA: "the CIA sees Obama as a valuable asset in putting a pretty face on our wars in the eyes of foreign populations."
- WA 13y agoMan, this is so true. I think 90% of Germans would vote for Obama. Mission accomplished.
- Shivetya 13y agoI would have preferred a press that wasn't just a damn fan club. Public opinion be damned, the press is supposed to report, not bow down
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- jivatmanx 13y agoNeoconservativism is a real ideology, with real writings and a history, and people who acknowledge being followers of it. Searching "Team B" for it's history, of "Leo Strauss" for it's ideology is a good starting point for people interested in this topic. The actions of the G.W.B. administration are actually fairly understandable when you consider that most of his cabinet was from Team B. As for Obama, all indications of his pre-presidential history is that he is ideologically traditional liberal, applying the term to him is problematic, even though his actions in office could indeed be described as neoconservative. This makes him far more difficult to assess.
- leifaffles 13y agoThis article tackles a lot of confusion that has come with the word over the past couple decades: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/05/neoconservative-needs-to-be-retired-why-not-try-imperialist.html http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/05/neoconserva...
- threeseed 13y agowe'd label him a neoconservative corporatist in the same vein as Cheney Only if you are a child who is unable to appreciate that people are far more complex than simplistic labels. Why not call him a socialist fascist as well ? Or a war monger ? Or a liberal ? Or anti capitalist ? Oh wait there are some contradictions there.
- cpursley 13y agoWell, let's take a look at two definitions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crony_capitalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crony_capitalism (what I mean by corporatist) Think about those two in the context of the president's actions and come back to your statement. Let's tally his accomplishments, shall we? He's bailed out private corporations at the expense of the middle class (ugh, don't like this phrase) through both taxes, and worse, inflation. He's not only continued the middle eastern wars, he's vastly expanded them (and I won't even mention drones). He's allowed the wholesale spying on Americans. Increased the size of the incompetent DHS. Basically said that murdering Americans without due process is alright. He hasn't legalized gay marriage. He hasn't decriminalized marijuana. What political ideology does that sound like? The president has only been 'liberal' on one point: healthcare. Even there, he basically handed (well, forced) over all our healthcare to private corporations. And our healthcare is still expense, even more so! Look, President Obama is neither liberal or conservative, he's a political opportunist who's actions happen to align with the neoconservatives minus the religious stuff (thankfully). I doubt it's intentional, but if it walks like a duck...