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So the NSA is this organisation which can tell what you are saying to anyone else, yet it failed to realise that Snowden was talking to Greenwald for about six

by tome 13y ago

So the NSA is this organisation which can tell what you are saying to anyone else, yet it failed to realise that Snowden was talking to Greenwald for about six months?

liljimmytables 13y ago
the fact that the NSA routinely monitors certain channels does not turn them into an omniscient boogieman that can read everybody's minds. in fact, being aware of the channels that they monitor puts you in an excellent position in this respect
etherael 13y ago
I read about him asking Greenwald to setup PGP some time ago and him not actually communicating with him until that happened. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/10/edward-snowden-glenn-greenwald_n_3416978.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/10/edward-snowden-glen... So, reading between the lines, PGP is safe, but that's hardly headline news.
- jebeng 13y ago
  Just want to chime in and say that this doesn't imply that PGP is safe. I mean, it probably is. They would not let us know, either way.
- alex_doom 13y ago
  It's going to be missed by passive data sweeps. If someone had suspected and was watching him that's a different story.
- vidarh 13y ago
  Crypto is "safe enough" based on an idea of how long the data needs to be protected. Best case it is "safe" for the time it will take to brute force the entire key space, but in reality most crypto will remain safe much shorter than that. We've increased typical keysizes for PGP many times over the years because we expect there's a reasonable change for smaller keys to be broken too quickly. In other words: You should not infer that PGP is "safe", but that he believed PGP with the key size he used would protect the messages until it doesn't matter if they're revealed at least from the level of monitoring he feared, which could just mean safe against routine intercepts and security scans for the few months until his identity was revealed anyway.
- weinzierl 13y ago
  PGP alone will do nothing for anonymity. Someone with access to sensitive information sending encrypted email to a journalist who was most probably on the radar of intelligence and a film maker (Poitras) who we know was on the watch list should have raised eyebrows. Being on a remote island with just over a million inhabitants would not make it easier to stay anonymous. Not to speak of the strong military presence there.
mcantelon 13y ago
1. Create Hotmail-type account at web cafe 2. Use this account to contact Greenwald and exchange encryption keys for future communication

by tome 13y ago

So the NSA is this organisation which can tell what you are saying to anyone else, yet it failed to realise that Snowden was talking to Greenwald for about six months?

liljimmytables 13y ago

the fact that the NSA routinely monitors certain channels does not turn them into an omniscient boogieman that can read everybody's minds. in fact, being aware of the channels that they monitor puts you in an excellent position in this respect

etherael 13y ago

I read about him asking Greenwald to setup PGP some time ago and him not actually communicating with him until that happened. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/10/edward-snowden-glenn-greenwald_n_3416978.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/10/edward-snowden-glen... So, reading between the lines, PGP is safe, but that's hardly headline news.

jebeng 13y ago
Just want to chime in and say that this doesn't imply that PGP is safe. I mean, it probably is. They would not let us know, either way.
alex_doom 13y ago
It's going to be missed by passive data sweeps. If someone had suspected and was watching him that's a different story.
vidarh 13y ago
Crypto is "safe enough" based on an idea of how long the data needs to be protected. Best case it is "safe" for the time it will take to brute force the entire key space, but in reality most crypto will remain safe much shorter than that. We've increased typical keysizes for PGP many times over the years because we expect there's a reasonable change for smaller keys to be broken too quickly. In other words: You should not infer that PGP is "safe", but that he believed PGP with the key size he used would protect the messages until it doesn't matter if they're revealed at least from the level of monitoring he feared, which could just mean safe against routine intercepts and security scans for the few months until his identity was revealed anyway.
weinzierl 13y ago
PGP alone will do nothing for anonymity. Someone with access to sensitive information sending encrypted email to a journalist who was most probably on the radar of intelligence and a film maker (Poitras) who we know was on the watch list should have raised eyebrows. Being on a remote island with just over a million inhabitants would not make it easier to stay anonymous. Not to speak of the strong military presence there.

mcantelon 13y ago

1. Create Hotmail-type account at web cafe 2. Use this account to contact Greenwald and exchange encryption keys for future communication