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In a normal scandal story, the appropriate committee would grant immunity to Snowden, have him testify, then bring up Clapper, have him testify, and compare not
by DanielBMarkham 13y ago
In a normal scandal story, the appropriate committee would grant immunity to Snowden, have him testify, then bring up Clapper, have him testify, and compare notes. Preferably publicly.
Here they bring in one side of the story for a secret Powerpoint presentation, no doubt with a high degree of spin to it, and publicly call Snowden a traitor. Then they complain that nobody shows up.
This isn't a bake sale or a dog and pony show, it's supposed to be the workings of the U.S. Senate. This sounds much more like an effort to CYA from the committee chair and NSA than it does an actual investigation or anything useful. Not going to make much progress continuing to operate in this fashion.
It IS interesting, however, that both sides here feel that, if only the other side knew more about what was actually going on, they would agree with them. But then the government insists on keeping it all secret. Meh.
- pvnick 13y agoWatch Glenn Greenwalds twitter (@ggreenwald) over the next few days/weeks. He alleges to have several more bombshell stories to release, and it looks like he's waiting for the government to lie themselves into a corner before dropping them in the limelight.
- e3pi 13y ago>looks like he's waiting for the government to lie themselves into a corner before dropping them in the limelight. He's that good? Knows the `infinitude' of time? Chess gambit(@)? I like him. (@)The word "gambit" was originally applied to chess openings in 1561 by Spanish priest Rúy López de Segura, from an Italian expression dare il gambetto (to put a leg forward in order to trip someone).
- pvnick 13y ago>He's that good? Knows the `infinitude' of time? Chess gambit(@)? Let's hope so!
- olalonde 13y agoWikipedia link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambit
- lessnonymous 13y agoRe Gambit: Learned this on an episode of Jeopardy screened in Australia this week. Never knew that it originated in Chess.
- voltagex_ 13y agoOT: Jeopardy screens in Australia?
- lessnonymous 13y agoFoxtel on Fox Classics. It's about 5 months behind (I think) and the Friday ep is always out of sequence for some reason.
- siphor 13y agoI honestly think it's time to take action more than just normal protests.. Which are useless.. We need to find a way to get more than just the minority to revolt. Think about how many straight up stupid things are happening.. We make jokes about politicians and theyre decisions (see daily show) but i dont think its funny anymore. We need to change. I'm thinking about making some sort of political website, I can't decide what the best way to do it is... But just a way to show how corrupt these assholes are, a very clear interface, showing their decisions, and how common sense doesn't dictate them. It's ridiculous and I'm upset by it. Anyone have any ideas to make this thing as good as possible? Ill start it tomorrow, any designers feel free to contact me :) The retarted amount of money our government spends on "defense" and other things... Think about how much better we can do with the worlds best engineers and 1/10th of the defense budget. Ugh
- MisterWebz 13y agoCreate a list of representatives and mine all their data that is available on the internet and put it on your website. I think that would allow us to easily form a picture of who that person is and what he stands for, whether he's being influenced by certain corporations etc... EDIT: http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/1geg2t/senators_skip_classified_briefing_on_nsa_snooping/cajfq9l http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/1geg2t/senators_skip_c...
- cinquemb 13y agoSaw this there: http://www.govtrack.us/about http://www.govtrack.us/about, but it just seems like gov data. Maybe instead of just mining, one could crowdsource photos/videos from people as they see them in places and get the timestamps and geotags.
- MisterWebz 13y agoAgreed. And when they complain, we could tell them if they have nothing to hide, then they have nothing to fear.
- kefka 13y ago
- throwaway10001 13y agoIn a normal scandal story, the appropriate committee would grant immunity to Snowden, have him testify, then bring up Clapper, have him testify, and compare notes. Preferably publicly. Have you seen Manning lately ? White as flour. Shows how much exercise and sun he has been getting while in jail. Snowden would be insane to come without an unconditional pardon/ and full immunity, not just immunity for what he says in Congress. He knows what awaits him in US jails
- tsotha 13y agoManning's situation is totally different. For one thing, he's active military. For another, he didn't even know what he was releasing.
- throwaway10001 13y agoIt is but tell that to NSA and to all those angry Senators and Congress people--and especially to those lobbyists from the military industrial complex. He will be kept "in isolation because he can leak secrets even from jail"
- tsotha 13y agoThe NSA and Congress don't run the justice department. We've had high profile civilian criminals before.
- infinite8s 13y agoThe NSA and the Justice Department are part of the same branch of government.
- tsotha 13y agoThey are, but the lines of authority only meet at the very top. The NSA only has influence on the Justice Dept to the extent it can influence the president.
- kimlelly 13y agoWHO ARE THESE PEOPLE ?!